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Brian Bilbray's Economic Stimulus Package™

by: CarlsbadDem

Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 21:18:11 PM PST


While I was cooking up some Thai curry for dinner, I got a phone call inviting me to join a "teleforum" with my congressman, Brian Bilbray (R-Solana Beach, CA-50). Press "1" and suddenly I'm listening to an a woman complain about how pregnant women can come across the border, give birth, and the infant is a US citizen. Bilbray of course gushes about how right she is about how wrong that is. Caller after caller is asking about illegal immigration--some woman's husband was in an ER waiting room for a broken ankle, and a Mexican (she knows this how?) family is there too, and they get served first. Even immigration extremist Bilbray can hardly keep up with the extremism of the callers on this issue. Then someone asks about employers and illegal immigration. And as nauseating as everything I'd already heard was, it didn't come close to preparing me for this.

Bilbray is complaining about people who say we need illegal immigrants because they do the manual labor and other unskilled, but necessary, work:

"What those people are really saying is that we aren't producing enough unskilled, poor workers. They're saying that we aren't producing enough poverty in this country. Well, my answer is that the federal government could produce a lot of poverty if it wanted to. We spend billions on education and training. We could create our own."
CarlsbadDem :: Brian Bilbray's Economic Stimulus Package™
I won't do much analysis, because I think the lunacy speaks for itself. Honestly, as much as I dislike Bilbray (to put it mildly), I didn't think he would say something like this. As a constituent, I would honestly like a response from him or his staff about whether they dispute this or an explanation for what he possibly could have meant by it.

I wasn't recording the phone call (isn't that illegal?) but I wrote these words down seconds after hearing it. This is my sincere best recollection, that I believe to be accurate in all significant ways.

Update 1/30 7:45am: Bilbray should have a recording. Slowpitch (below comments) jogged my memory and there was a little recorded legal voice disclaimer thing at the beginning when I pressed "1" that warned about it being recorded. So almost certainly, Bilbray's office has a recording. Whether they will make it available, is a different story. I, for one, welcome clarification on this. I'm not going to say I didn't hear what I thought I heard, but at the same time, I remain open to the possibility that I totally missed the irony or something.

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This is insane (8.00 / 1)
Who says that? Create our own poverty? WTF?

I think?

I think it's a dumber (!) version of (8.00 / 1)
Reagan's "The scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.'"

In other words, Bilbray is trying to say that if only there was no gummint, we'd all be RICH!  And we'd have a pony!


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Eh (0.00 / 0)
I think thats part of it, but he was suggesting that we just need to find our own economic underclass (hm... where should we look).  And somehow, in his strange mind, this is a populist message.

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Perhaps he's making a play for (0.00 / 0)
the Ron Paul supporters...

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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two birds with one stone, if you think about it (0.00 / 0)
Save $$ by cutting education and training, and cut out the need for illegal immigration. Really, Brian, I can't believe you don't see this as win-win.

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Yup (0.00 / 0)
addition by subtraction.  And when we're done, government will almost fit in the bathtub.  Feel free to start running the water.

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Bilbray's insanity and your comment reminds me of... (8.00 / 2)
... the quick-hit online campaign I helped wage with Working Assets back in the summer of 2005.

We took this poster, created by Daily Kos blogger "highacidity"...

... and we turned it into a billboard that toured DC, with a special stop-off at Norquist's infamous "Wednesday Meeting":

As Andrew Boyd led the billboard around Washington post-Katrina, I/we rallied Kossacks online to help fund the action. It was a rewarding netroots-driven action to raise awareness about the, ahem,  poverty of ideas driving our nation's domestic agenda.

Not much has changed since then, other than a few seats in Congress, including Bilbray's.

Disclosure: I work for the Courage Campaign. These opinions are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer.  


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I forgot to mention... (0.00 / 0)
Highacidity's photo is of New Orleans, post-Katrina.

Disclosure: I work for the Courage Campaign. These opinions are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer.  

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It fits though doesn't it? (0.00 / 0)
The only way to save the nation is to dumb it down?  Don't help make college more affordable.  Don't expand access to healthcare.  Help management bust unions.  Protect CEOs but ship off the poor who enlist in the military because they don't have any other options.

The problem with this country is people trying to better themselves. Duh.


Recording (0.00 / 0)
My office uses the same program (or a very similar one) and Bilbray's staff should have a recording.  Of course, they'd never make it available to the public, but you can always call them and ask.  If they say they don't have one, it's probably a lie.

Also, California has "all party consent" statutes relating to recording phone calls.  I don't know far it would apply in a public forum case like this (I'm not a lawyer), but it seems unwise to record the call, never mind that Bilbray's office has a recording. In other states, with single party consent, that would not be a problem.

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/


thanks (0.00 / 0)
Because these comments are so explosive, I really wish there was a perfect transcription. Mine is honestly what I remember, but I was cooking, kids were screaming in the background (I had it on speakerphone). I was torn on posting this because I feel like it would be both irresponsible not to get this craziness out there in the public, and of course irresponsible to get it wrong. This was the best I could do, and I believe very close. We'll see what they have to say about it.

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Appreciated (0.00 / 0)
I for one am glad you put it up there.  I think it's important to see what public officials are saying in forums like this.

Answering questions in forums like this is tough, but thats no excuse for saying something so idiotic or malicious.  This is hardly the first time Bilbray has had to think about illegal immigration and the workforce... and I (sincerely hope) and doubt he wants the federal government to CREATE a group of poor, uneducated citizens to do unskilled labor in the US.  


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The question (0.00 / 0)
is whether he's WILLING to do that in the name of extreme immigration reform.  His comments at the very least suggest that his fervor over the issue isn't bounded by rationality.

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Just called Bilbray's office (0.00 / 0)
Laura told me that the call was not recorded but I could leave a comment if I wanted.

that seems fishy (0.00 / 0)
Why would they warn callers that it was being recorded, if it wasn't being recorded?

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I agree (0.00 / 0)
though it could just be in case someone ELSE recorded it.

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