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Union Tribune: Edwards Hates Success and Richardson Said So

by: Lucas O'Connor

Mon May 07, 2007 at 19:39:50 PM PDT


It's also Blue and Orange.

In an editorial today, The San Diego Union Tribune takes issue with John Edwards for being willing to consider an "excess-profits, excess-income tax."  The editorial complains of Edwards "hawking class warfare" and complains that a rich person has no business being concerned about class issues.  In closing, it does us all the service of "call[ing] this toxic idea by its proper name. It's a tax on performance. It's a way to punish the high-achievers in our economy in the hopes that we might be able to discourage them from trying so hard and achieving so much."

I'll refute this nonsense on the flip, but first the kicker:

The good news is that at least one of Edwards' competitors, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, had the good sense to shoot down the idea, promote himself as a taxpayer, and chide Democrats for proposing taxes as the solution to every societal problem - and non-problem.
Lucas O'Connor :: Union Tribune: Edwards Hates Success and Richardson Said So
Let's clear out the low-hanging fruit right out of the gate.  This narrative of the self-loathing rich man who hates success is absurd.  It sets up John Edwards as ineligible to be concerned about the poor because he isn't poor, noting his large house and his haircuts (we of course don't have actual policy to discuss, natch).  Continuing to channel some bizarro, bastardized spirit of Horatio Alger, the UT suggests that, since increased taxes on increased success is a stand against ambition, taxes are inherently some sort of penalty for success.  One wonders whether the opposite is true, and the editorial page would drool over a proposal to impose an extra tax on poor people for not trying hard enough to be rich and successful.  Hey, if Carnegie can make it, then why can't you (Except for that philanthropy part. Social responsibility is for Stalinists)?  Don't tread on my bootstraps John; I need to lift myself up by them or else.

What's particularly distressing here though is that the editorial can get away with all this crap without even once referring to any Republican politician, idea, proposal, or existing policy.  Why? Because Bill Richardson provides all the cover needed to paint John Edwards as some sort of nefarious enemy of the American Dream.

In short, Bill Richardson is killin us on taxes.  It would be one thing if Bill Richardson simply had a different outlook on how to spur economic growth.  We could talk about that.  But he's painting the rest of the Democratic field as traditional tax and spend liberals and, in the process, serving up ammunition on a silver platter for Republicans who have absolutely no other substance to bring to the debate.  This has been a particularly frustrating burr in the sides of bloggers for a while now, and here's still more evidence of the damage done by the perpetuation of these right-wing talking points.  Letting the right jump up and down screaming "See! Even other Democrats know Democrats are wrong!" is anathema to party building and every aspect of progress that the Democratic Party has been pursuing over the past several years.  And so Bill Richardson, please, take a few notes to heart.

First, particularly for California Democrats, you do NOT want to do the opposition work on behalf of Republicans.  We've been through this, and all it got us was four more years of Schwarzenegger.  Do you want to be a part of that? No, you do not.

Second, tax-and-spend is a Republican talking point that is ridiculous on its face and shouldn't be a part of your world for two broad reasons: One, the Republican alternative, which you're giving credence to, is spend without taxing and that's bad.  Two, you are going to spend the taxes you collect, so you tax and spend as well.  To suggest this is bad, well...convince me why I want to pay taxes that do nothing and we can talk.

Third, this is a party-and-infrastructure election.  You're going to be talking about Iraq and alternative energy and universal health care and immigration, but all of these issues have to be addressed through the prism of engaging people in politics.  The people you're talking to about these issues are people who are extra-ordinarily excited about politics right now and we want to keep them involved.  Ripping down your fellow Democrats does not accomplish this and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many who are trying to do something lasting in and with this party.

By all means, compete in the primary and make your case for being the best Democrat in the field.  Talk about how you have a different view when it comes to how best to inspire economic growth that suits the 21st century.  But for the love of all things good in the world, do not do it by saying of your fellow Democratic candidates "See? The Republicans were right about you."  If you do this, you will lose.  And I can pretty much guarantee that I'm right about that.

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I've been very annoyed by Richardson on this (0.00 / 0)
Since I first heard him use the "Democrats are tax-and-spenders" framing in the South Carolina debate. This is unbelievably damaging rhetoric for any number of reasons, which you do an excellent job of covering. He is trying to say that ANY new taxes are a bad idea, make the Dems a throwback to the '60s and '70s, etc. It's more evidence of Richardson's inherently DLC nature, and further reason for me to strongly oppose his candidacy.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

I agree with the... (0.00 / 0)
overall conclusion here. Primary opponents shouldn't say anything negative about others, unless they seriously want the opposing party over anyone else running in their own party.

I do also agree with Richardson that we should not have tax increases as a first resort

The Silent Consensus


Tax Debate (0.00 / 0)
I'm happy to have a discussion about tax policy.  I may not agree with Richardson out of the gate, but I'm willing to listen to ideas in and of themselves.  But this is a framing problem that undermines the party overall and he needs to get on board.

I'm proud to work for Barbara Boxer

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Why did Angelides lose? What Happened to President Mondale? (0.00 / 0)
This isn't a framing problem.  Richardson is being realistic. Using clever, new language to try to convince voters to support tax increases for a wide variety of new programs isn't going to work.  Voters will see through that and most do not want new taxes. 

It would be wonderful if we could have universal healthcare, end poverty in America, provide affordable, quality housing for everyone, build new schools across the developing world and everything else Senator Edwards is proposing.

However, basing the Democratic platform on tax increases to solve an enormous range of social problems at home and abroad will result in failure, just as it did for Walter Mondale in 1984.  He promised to raise taxes and won in Minnesota and Washington D.C.  Reagan took the rest of the country.

Is that too long ago?  Well ask youself why did Phil Angelides get crushed by Arnold last November? 

As Edwards is arguing now, Angelides repeatedly advocated for tax increases to improve health care, education and the environment.  Angelides said not to put taxes on the table was being unrealistic, like pixie dust. 

Angelides is a smart person who did much for our state as Treasurer and certainly knew how to frame issues.  But it all did him no good.  Being the candidate of taxes resulted in Arnold taking California in a landslide.

The Presidential election of 2004 demonstrated the fallacy of the argument that Democrats can line up behind a candidate that appeals to Democrats, generate a massive turnout and they will win. 

John Kerry received 8 million votes more than Al Gore did in 2000.  In fact, Kerry received more votes than any other Democratic candidate for President in history, including President Clinton.  Yet Kerry still lost.  On the other hand, as we saw in the 2006 Congressional elections, when Democrats attract votes from Republicans and Independents, Democrats win.

The Democratic candidate won't win if he or she repeatedly speaks of wanting to raise taxes.  Potential independent and Republican supporters will be lost and so will the White House for another four years. 

Richardson understands that at its core the Democratic party must be the party of economic progress.  He is committed to eliminating barriers on the opportunity of all Americans to share in the American Dream.  That is a message all Americans will embrace and support. 

Tax and spend is a sure loser.  I think even Edwards is starting to realize this.  Did you see him on This Week last Sunday?  He was grilled on the issue and back tracked from his comments to the press after his speech in San Diego.


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people already do support more taxes for more services (0.00 / 0)
the polling shows that. they've seen what a tax cuts all the time fiscal policy gets you -- nothing. they had forgotten all the things they rely on government to provide until it was gone.

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I echo... (0.00 / 0)
the comments of Stephen.

Todd, they do not "support more taxes for more services." They support better use of the money they are already sending to Washington and Sacramento before a tax increase is even thought about. No tax increase until we have rooted out waste, fraud, duplication, and mismanagement

The Silent Consensus


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That isn't what the PPIC poll said IIRC n/t (0.00 / 0)


I'm proud to work for Barbara Boxer

[ Parent ]
Remember, VF2005 means (1.00 / 1)
"things VF2005 doesn't like" when he says "waste, fraud, and mismanagement.

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EXCUSE ME... (0.00 / 0)
CUT IT OUT! THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS OBJECTIVE WASTE, unless the money literally gets flushed down the toilet. Tell me any hypothetical piece of waste, according to you, and I guarantee you I'll be able to find someone who doesn't believe it's waste. Here's a list for you of things I hope we would both agree is waste (the titles for each is the title of the newspaper article):

Billions in penalties for missed deadlines: $1.3 billion
Grand Jury Calls Child-Care Program "ATM for Thieves": $.5 billion
Foster care needs oversight: $.023 billion
Flying Fast: $.007 billion
Poor food stamp administration: $.172 billion
California food stamp administration at its worst (different year): $.1158 billion
Feds: California mismanaging food stamp program: $.01 billion
Medi-Cal fraud: $2.5 billion
Medicare Overbilling Case is Settled: $.008 billion
Dental Work Scammers Cheat Medi-Cal: $.00038 billion
Medi-Cal Fraud: Flourishing: $.000375 billion
Yet another Medi-Cal Swindle: $.00025 billion
Illegal Immigration: $1 billion
Suspected Misspent Pork in Now-Defunct State Agency Prompt: $.425 billion
State workers live rent-free: .0083 billion
Guard Bivouacs at Hotels: $.00075 billion
State Auditor Finds Over $440 Million in Savings: $.44 billion
Crime Victims Funds Runs Dry: $.08 billion
Oracle Debacle: .041 billion
BOE Automation: $.035 billion
Audit says grants lacked oversight: $.00111 billion
Audit Underscores Lack of Accountability in Spending Prop. 10: $.0477 billion
Taxpayer-Financed Preschool Ads: $.018 billion
Tobacco Taxes Pay for P.R., Not Children: $.005 billion
State Workers Get Another Holiday: $.0465 billion
Harassed whistle blower wins: $.004 billion
California owes $2.9 million from improper secretary of state conduct: $.0029 billion
State pays to muzzle former employee: $.00016 billion
Flying High with tax dollars: $.000016 billion
Poetry: $.000012 billion
Pricey artwork: $.001 billion
Public Pension System Needs More Tax Dollars: $3 billion
"'Chiefs' Disease'": $.1 billion
Taking it with him: $.00015 billion
Power trading losses: $.025 billion
No Sushi or Italian Takeout for Department of Water Resources: $.0000036 billion
Audit hits vetereans affairs department: $.0057 billion
Taxpayers to Pay State Energy Consultant's Ethics Law Fines: $.0000695 billion
Bay Bridge Audit: $3.2 billion
Benicia Bridge Costs Continue to Grow: $.07 billion
Free parking for state workers is uncovered by state audit: $.0021 billion
State Bought $125,000 Worth of Teddy Bears: $.000125 billion
Unemployment Insurance Fraud: $.28 billion
"You work, they steal": $.127 billion
Computer Snafus: $.018 billion
Worker's Comp Fraud: How to Fix it: $1.3 billion
SDI Wastes Millions Through Errors, Abuse: $.124 billion
MTA Workers' Comp Fraud: $.049 billion

Total: $15.0944011 billion from one report alone

If you want to challenge anything check this database for description first since newspaper article titles can be too short a description.

The Silent Consensus


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You're wrong (0.00 / 0)
You tried this at MyDD too and you were wrong.  Angelides didn't lose because of taxes.  He lost because prominent Democrats spouted off about taxes using right-wing talking points.  They didn't just disagree about taxes, they legitimized Republican criticisms.  By doing so, they legitimized other right-wing talking points that went along with it.  In this case, Richardson is giving the Union Tribune the opening to criticize Edwards as somehow opposed to success.  That doesn't happen because there's a debate about tax policy.  That happens because he says Republicans are right.  And when he says Republicans are right, it let's every other dumbass right-wing talking point into the mix.

As Todd mentioned, people are willing to pay taxes if they feel as though the revenue will be used responsibly.  Richardson is implying not simply that Edwards' tax plan is flawed, but that Edwards is irresponsible.  That's the concept that's so dangerous- that Democrats are reckless with their spending.  It isn't about taxes, it's about the capacity to responsibly hold the position of President.  Richardson is saying that Edwards' plan is wrong not because (or at least not only because) it raises taxes, but because Edwards would then be frivolous in his dispensation of that tax money.  That isn't cool.

I'm proud to work for Barbara Boxer


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Losing the White House to Republicans another four years isn't cool (0.00 / 0)
"You're wrong . . . Angelides didn't lose because of taxes."

That is our basic disagreement.  Sure there were multiple reasons why Angelides lost.  But Angelides' position on tax was the one thing most voters knew about him, and it did him in.

"He lost because prominent Democrats spouted off about taxes using right-wing talking points."

Hardly, the very first ad Arnold ran against Angelides - showing Angelides walking backward - was the beginning of the end for Angelides.  Arnold destroyed Angelides on the tax issues, regardless of what Westly did in the primary. 

This is what Gary South (who advised Westly) wrote after the election and I agree with:

"In a year when the governor lucked out with one-time, $7.5 billion revenue windfall and bipartisan passage of the first on-time budget since 2000, Angelides wedged himself into the silly position of quibbling about whether his tax-increase proposals added up to $10 billion, or "only" $5 billion. That's akin to arguing over whether it's better to be bitten in half by a shark or only swallowed whole.

Was Angelides on Pluto when Walter Mondale's come-out roll in his ill-fated 1984 presidential campaign was promising everyone he would raise their taxes? Even in this usually very blue Golden State, one doesn't launch a campaign for governor by making a tax increase the focal point. Over the years, Angelides has had an undeniable penchant for advocating raising almost every tax in sight, including the income tax, the sales tax, the property tax, the corporate tax, the tax on alcoholic beverages, the tax on diesel fuel and the tax on farm machinery, among others.

Apparently, he figured voters would consider his call for tax increases a red badge of courage. Instead, his unpalatable proposals just branded him from the very start of the campaign with an indelible scarlet letter 'T.'"

You can try to frame this issue all you want, but the voters aren't going to be fooled.  If no Democrat says anything about Edwards wanting to raise taxes and Edwards gets the nomination, he will still lose badly if he makes tax increases the centerpiece of his campaign.

"That isn't cool."

That's the reality.  It's not cool to lose.  I'm tired of symbolic victories.  Every liberal in the nation can turn out and vote for Edwards, and we lose.  With Richardson we have a great shot at winning because he won't be walking into the trap Edwards has already set for himself.

Let's win the White House in 2008.


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Overall... (0.00 / 0)
I think I agree. You're right about AngelDWEEBes. While I differed with the Republicans when they said it was $18 billion he wanted to raise in taxes (I thought it was $10 billion), there was one thing I had in common with them: I DIDN'T WANT TO FIND OUT

If you are meaning to imply though that "it's better to win elections than to have principles" then I wholeheartedly disagree. You ultimately win when you stand by your principles, and if you don't stand by your principles, what's the point of winning?

Joe Biden should be the nominee. He has a real plan for Iraq

The Silent Consensus


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Principles Count (0.00 / 0)
I'm not implying in any way that Democrats not fight for what they believe in.  But let's work to address the pressing problems in our society with common sense and not fall into traps that have repeatedly doomed Democrats in the past.  We can't use government to improve our society if we are shut out of power.

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You're missing the point (0.00 / 0)
"But Angelides' position on tax was the one thing most voters knew about him, and it did him in."

This is, to a large degree, correct.  But the reason that it was the one thing voters knew about him was because of Democrats hammering him about it.  Schwarzenegger rarely did, because he didn't have to.  Democrats did the dirty work for him.  And that is the problem that we would be better off avoiding.

I'm proud to work for Barbara Boxer


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exactly (0.00 / 0)
His repeated use of the words:

I'm not like that.

when describing his so-called "tax and spend" party-mates gets me particularly pissed. distinguish yourself from the field by lifting yourself up, not by knocking the rest down using right wing talking points. he can be right on all the issues but this undermining of the party is unacceptable.


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