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CDP: Please Give Chevron Back Their Money

by: David Dayen

Wed May 16, 2007 at 12:46:33 PM PDT


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I am fairly surprised that more has not been made in the blogosphere of the unwelcome news that Chevron is doing everything it can to buy off the California Democratic Party and some of its top legislators.  Outside of this small item in The Oil Drum, pretty much nobody has said a word about the fact that the CDP accepted a $50,000 check from a company that is attempting to artificially depress capacity and manipulate the energy market in a way that is shockingly similar to how Enron made themselves a fortune during the 2000-2001 energy crisis.  You can read the details here.

As a delegate to this party, I feel personally tainted by this donation.  I feel like there is a concerted effort to buy my silence.  It will not work, and I want to outline why I am respectfully asking this party, of which I am a member and to which I pay dues, to return the money.

David Dayen :: CDP: Please Give Chevron Back Their Money
I don't think I have to go into how Chevron controls the oil market in California by owning most of the refineries, and that in another era that would rightly be called a trust.  I don't need to discuss their record profits or their expenditures of $44 million to defeat ballot propositions like Prop. 87 and Prop. 89 last year, or their consistently greedy profit-taking at a time of record gas prices throughout the state, or how they refuse to increase refining capacity to keep that profit artificially high.  And I don't need to explain how corporations aren't in the business of charity, and that every expenditure they make has a stated outcome, whether for public relations purposes or to engender favorable legislation or just to keep government off their backs while they continue to rake in billions.  What I can talk about is the poverty of imagination that leads the CDP to take a gift like this.

What bothers me most about taking a fat corporate donation like this, from the very interest group you fought tooth and nail against on Prop. 87 just 6 months ago, is how LAZY it is.  There are an unlimited amount of ways to raise $50,000 that not only show no appearance of impropriety or corporate favoritism, but bring people into the process and grow the party, which are the key metrics for politics in the 21st century.  If you really needed $50,000 in a state of 37 million people, how about this: ask 50,000 to give a dollar to specifically ensure that the CDP won't be beholden to big corporate money.  You can hold dollar parties and write about how giving citizens a stake brings them closer to the party.  And in return for that dollar, you could give people prominent space on the CDP website to upload a minute of video about what problems facing California most affect them.  Then, once the money is collected, PUBLICLY REBUFF Chevron by telling them that their donation has been paid by the people.  Not only would you be seen as populist folk heroes, you would be investing in the party by allowing 50,000 Calfornians get a share and a stake.  That's called people power.  The new metrics for the Presidential campaigns, for example, are not just money but numbers of donors, because that shows a broad base of support.  A party that gets rich off fat $50,000 checks is a mile wide and an inch deep.  We already have a party like that in California.  It's called the Republican Party.  And I expect them and their leaders to take hundreds of thousands from the oil industry, as Arnold has.

If that corporate money were even drilled in to infrastructure and party building, that would be something.  But typically, it's not.  And the party that continues on a traditional model of collecting big corporate checks and running big broadcast ads will be obsolete in a new media environment.  Stoller:

We need to figure out new metrics for receiving party support aside from money and polling.  Perhaps opt-in email addresses acquired?  Friends on MySpace?  Newly registered voters (I like this one)?  Chatter across blogs using sites such as Blogpulse?

I'm not sure, but the whole landscape of politics is shifting.  It's like an entirely new grammar is emerging, but we're not there yet.

A "dollar party" strategy, that could spread virally through social networking sites (is the CDP even on MySpace or Facebook?), that would bind more people to the party in a small way and set up a core of activists for GOTV, that would allow a press release that says "50,000 donors!" instead of hiding the fact that one polluting Big Oil ripoff artist gave you 50,000 dollars... would simply be a forward-thinking way to grow the party and gather attention.

I'm sure that there are a host of conciliators and "my-party-right-or-wrong" types that have a problem with me sharing even a scintilla of disagreement with the state party (there's another guy that believes in the silencing of any alternative voices, he resides at 1600 Penn. Ave, Wash, DC, 20500).  First of all, I would have them take a look at the rise of DTS voters and the lack of success in joining the progressive wave in 2006 and ask them where all that brushing aside criticism has gotten them.  But the second thing I would ask them is, why are you a Democrat?  What do you believe, if anything?  And how do you square that belief with the fact that one of the companies most committed to stopping any progress on global warming or reducing dependence on foreign oil just handed you - you! - a wad of money in order to shut you up?

The Speaker's Office claims that these donations won't impact Democrats' ability to take a hard look at what Chevron is attempting to do on refining capacity, and that "tough" legislation is forthcoming.  I would hope so.  I cannot impact what individual candidates receive in gifts; at least, not until election season.  I can have an impact when it's my party.  I'm a delegate and a member in good standing.  I know for a fact that members of the Party leadership read this site.  I'm asking those in charge at the CDP, nicely, to give back the Chevron money.  I want to work on innovative fundraising solutions that can simultaneously fund the important work of the party and bring it closer to the people whom it serves.  But like any addiction, the first step is admitting you have a problem.

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Excellent post (8.00 / 1)
I'm fully supportive of you on this. As I noted in my post today on Arnold's public transportation cuts Big Oil, especially Chevron, is trying to fight efforts by the state to give Californians an alternative to gas-based transportation. Chevron wants the state over a barrel, unable to avoid paying their outrageous gouge at the pump.

The CDP should be doing everything in its power to fight oil companies and to give Californians real transportation alternatives, instead of accepting checks from Chevron.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


HSR (0.00 / 0)
Now why would Chevron want to see HSR dead?

You know, it's funny, I was listening to Barbara Kingsolver on KQED today; she was talking about her book on local foods. And she had a point: We know we are at or nearing peak oil, why are we not doing everything in our power to make sure we are using this precious resource wisely now? So, why not eat local foods, but also why not think of ways we can travel smart?

Well, that was fun... Brian Leubitz


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Interesting thought (0.00 / 0)
about turning this into a PR and a fundraising mechanism by rejecting the donation.  Unfortunately, I do not have a high confidence that they would do this or even that they have the resources to carry it off.

Things are starting to move (0.00 / 0)
stay tuned.  There will be more media and organized petitions around this.

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the CDP has issues (0.00 / 0)
I don't mind Markos or Duncan running a Chevron ad because I trust them.

But the recent history of the CDP is shameful. In only the last 9 months the "leadership" helped kill Prop 89, wasted more money on a "refund" to Nunez than on GOTV, admitted they dropped the ball on Charlie Brown's race, and the resolutions process at the this year's convention was so FUBAR that the Party looks crappy every day that the Resolution Committee members who took part aren't fired.

There is zero reason to trust the Party.


Was the Leadership really embarassed (0.00 / 0)
by the way the Convention ended?  This campaign would be a great way to wash away that bad taste and catapult the Party into a can-do, activist mentality.  Great idea Darrin.

Sorry (0.00 / 0)
Great post, DAVID - isn't there a way to edit these things?

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Nope, no editing. (0.00 / 0)
Even we admins can't do that -- we can delete or hide by downrating, but that's all we've got.

Dunno if Paul has that on his feature list or not.


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Bring on the Bat? ;-) (8.00 / 1)
I'm guessing that the liberal blogs could raise a good chunk of that amount, by having a Dean-style "bat" or some such, maybe using ActBlue to handle the logistics.

Just thinking off the top of my head, but I like the idea of using this as an opportunity to prove that lots of individuals can match the big money, and involve more voters at the same time.

Because at the end of the (election) day, it's the number of votes that matters. The # of $ is only relevant to the extent that it brings in votes.

--All of my comments are mine, and not those of any organization I belong to unless clearly stated otherwise.


Yeah (0.00 / 0)
they probably could come up with a good graphic and fill it up.  However, right now I don't believe that the CDP has the infrastructure to handle a campaign like that right now.  They do not have anyone on staff who is anything close to an online organizer.  Their website is not set up for this kind of activism.  They could easily more than make up their costs given the size of the list and the growing netroots in this state.  If the Michigan Democratic Party can afford to have an full-time online organizer so can the CDP.

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I dunno (0.00 / 0)
At the Convention there was a "guerilla media" workshop put on by the CDP at which the panelists didn't understand the term "viral video."  Trying to imagine them hiring a competent online organizer kind of makes my brain hurt. 

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I'll bet it would be a disaster (0.00 / 0)
Probably a runoff between Merrill and Swanson.

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Dark Horse (0.00 / 0)
a retired Ted Stevens.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK

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Right on all points (0.00 / 0)
And I agree that is something that needs to change.It's obvious even to a technical illiterate like me that it could be a great deal better designed and a full-time online organizer sounds great.What would it take to set the website up for online activism?

Judy Cohen Hotchkiss
"It does not take a majority to prevail. Just an irate, tireless minority,setting brushfires in peoples minds." Samuel Adams


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Take the Money (8.00 / 2)
Until there is campaign finance reform - take the money
Tobacco? Gun Lobby? Big Oil? Christian Coalition? OK the CC might be overboard but take the money!!!
I would draw the line at money from illegal sources (drugs, robbery, etc) but I do not think we can afford the luxury of purity.

This will PO most of you. For the record: I support Campaign Finance Reform, The Clean Money Campaign, Tin Cup, you name it (although I did not like McCain Feingold very much because it did more to damage grass roots fundraising at the local level). Ideally, there should be public financing and the public should take back some network air time for free messages from candidates or causes - understanding that our tax dollars will help the opposition as well.

Just because I take someone's money does not necessarily mean I am indebted to that individual/organization. I could oppose what the donor wants me to do. Give some of our representatives/organizations a little credit - it is not always money in - special laws out. Take the money and use it to promote an alternative energy campaign or stop offshore drilling. That's real justice!


Hmm, maybe they should! (0.00 / 0)
No, we can't afford the luxury of purity right now. We don't have public financing, so we have to get money from the private sector. I guess it's just the question of whether or not the CDP can take the money without feeling beholden to these donors.

But I guess if Markos and other bloggers can do it, so can our Democratic Party. Let 'em give us the money, and then we can spend it on electing folks who will do what's best for us (and not these special donors). If the CDP can pull that off, then I guess all this funny money won't be a problem (for now).

I guess all this funny money still bothers me 'cuz I don't like to see "the people's party" bought and sold by special interests. But I guess until we can figure out how to make public financing a reality, funny money will always be here. We just have to learn how not to let it control everything we do.
But still, you have a good idea. I love you, demmother! : )

Had enough of the "red county" right-wing crazy-talk bulls***? Well, then come and visit us at The Liberal OC! Yes, there ARE liberals in The OC! : )


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World doesn't work that way (0.00 / 0)
I think that you and demmother are being remarkably naive.  The *only* thing a party or campaign has to sell is access and influence.  Corporations do not give campaign contributions unless they expect to get something in return.  Otherwise, they would be violation of the obligation they have to their shareholders.

So when Chevron knocks on the CDP's door someday soon, concerned about some piece of legislation, the CDP will listen, guaranteed.  That, at the very least, is what Chevron bought.  More likely, Chevron bought Chevron-friendliness.

It's not only important for corporate interests like Chevron to own one party outright, but also to coopt the other party, especially in California, where the Republicans are so weak.


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Don't call us naive... (0.00 / 0)
Well, go ahead and call me naive. I don't care. Just don't call others on this site naive. Some folks here have been involved with the party longer than we've been alive, so they know what gets influence within the party and what doesn't.

Now I don't like Chevron. And no, I don't like the CDP taking money from Chevron. But now that I think of it, Chevron's $50,000 check isn't the be-all and end-all here. It can still be balanced by all the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS that wealthy environmentally-minded donors give to the CDP and to Democratic candidates. The CDP has to listen to EVERYONE who gives them the big bucks.

To be honest with you, I don't like ANY of this. I don't like our party taking money from fossil fuel peddlers, and I feel uncomfortable when big-name blogs like Daily Kos take money from fossil fuel peddlers. However I know that politics is driven by money, and until we can just take all this funny money out of the system, we will always be caught in this dilemma.

There isn't really a simple answer here.

Had enough of the "red county" right-wing crazy-talk bulls***? Well, then come and visit us at The Liberal OC! Yes, there ARE liberals in The OC! : )


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I'm sticking with naive (0.00 / 0)
because the alternatives are less complimentary.  Yeah, the system sucks.  And yeah, Markos takes advertising from Chevron.  But Markos *sells* advertising.  Parties and candidates have nothing to sell except influence.

And the fact that people have been involved for longer than any of us is valuable for certain things, less so for others.  One can just as easily argue that developing comfort with what is essentially legalized bribery through long experience is actually a bad thing.

The other question is this:  how many of those environmentally minded donors can say to the CDP:  "There's my check for $50K, and we'll see about next year's...  Now which of your candidates are corporate-friendly enough that we can also max out to them?"  I'm an environmentally-minded donor.  I can't do that.  I don't know how many individuals can.

And of course, it's not just Chevron, though we're discussing Chevron.  It's also a lot of similar corporations with similar interests.


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Alright (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, in a time of multi-million dollar assembly district elections, and with us finding ourselves at a point in which no elected official has demonstrated any bias as a result of the contribution, aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself?  Is the potential for shadiness there? Yes. Should the party return the money? Almost certainly.  Is the California Democratic Party beholden to anyone who drops 50 large? Fuck man, maybe in 1842 that'd swing the entire state party.

That said, everyone give $50,000 to your local Democrat.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK


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You'll never see the bias (0.00 / 0)
It will take place in bills watered down, or not submitted, priority given for meetings.  Again, Chevron is not the specific issue, though it's a particularly egregious example of the problem, and a very very bad actor.

I'll stop now.  Money has no provenance.  Corporations give money out of the goodness of their corporate hearts.  They never expect anything.  Neither do lobbyists.  It's a complete mystery why they give money to political parties and candidates.


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FYI (0.00 / 0)
You sound like Viking. Maxine Waters is near potential corruption, so we should run her out of office.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK

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Way to be truly insulting (0.00 / 0)
I'm done now.

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I take serious issue (0.00 / 0)
with "no elected official has demonstrated any bias" as a result of this, and other, contributions.  You'd kind of have to read the two posts I did together, but the other one noted that 90 MILLION dollars was spent by Chevron on political campaigns in 2006.  A bit more than $50,000.  I'm focusing on the 50K because it's something I can impact.

Second of all, the initial article documents how little to nothing has been done on the issue of record oil prices this session.  The Speaker just "wait, that's changing," but so far, nada.

WHO'S AFRAID of Big Oil? Apparently, California's elected officials. Gasoline prices are stuck well above last year's record highs and about 50 cents above the national average. Yet state politicians are not saying or doing a thing, except for raking in political cash from the oil companies and flying around the world on their dime [...]

Chevron refined 22% less oil in the U.S. during the first quarter of this year than in the same quarter of 2006 because of longer "planned maintenance" downtime and accidents. Yet its total profit on U.S. refining increased 66%. Making less gasoline, it made much more money.

So why is there no special legislative session on the gasoline crisis? No talk of regulating refiners to make supply meet demand?

There has been no action - none - on this very troubling and very familiar bit of price gouging.  When there is some, maybe I'll rethink my statement.  But I will not be able to help but think that PRESSURE LIKE THIS would be the reason for any future moves by the legislature.


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That's fair (0.00 / 0)
And maybe this particular case is problematic (to say the least).  But I'm wary of the premise here- specifically that money is inherently and necessarily corruptive.  In this particular case it may very well be, but if (or given) that is the case, then is the fault with the money being accepted or the money being accepted as a bribe?

This is ultimately my point in all of this.  The problem is not accepting the money in and of itself. The problem is establishing a quid pro quo when accepting the money.  That has much more to do with the recipients than it does with the donors.  I think what you're after in this post is the CDP stepping up and saying "we will not be bought."  And I'm ALL for that.  But establishing this precedent means that we have to presume that every contribution of $50,000 or greater is automatically a bribe, and I think that's a road that we should be careful going down.  It doesn't mean that we ignore corruption, and it doesn't mean that this case isn't rife about it. It means you don't presume it out of hand.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK


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I'm going to follow this up tomorrow (0.00 / 0)
But actually my main problem is with the process of it all.  Money received from Chevron, whether taken in good faith or bad, will not do as much to reach new voters as it will alienate old ones.  Bottom line.  People have every right to assume that a politician who receives a large donation from a corporate entity will be expecting something in return, as the instances of such exchanges being consummated are too numerous to count.  So I don't care if Chevron left the money on your doorstep wrapped in a bow, the perception will be that it's a payment for services rendered.  That perception, a disquieting one to say the least, is the last thing that the CDP needs right now.

The premise is not that money is necessarily corruptive, the premise is that there's a far better way to raise money in the 21st century that is both above board AND grows the party.


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So? (0.00 / 0)
The problem lies in them GETTING what they want.  I put in a lot of time and money expecting a payoff, but putting in the time and money doesn't mean I get that payoff.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK

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Let me know when you can cut a $50K check (0.00 / 0)
every year, plus contributions to individual candidates.  Then let me know how easy it is to get what you want.

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Pfft (0.00 / 0)
If that's what I want. If what on a Friday night what I want is to make out with somebody? I'll stick to buying a couple drinks.  It might work, it might not, but the investment remains the same.

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -JFK

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I may be naive (0.00 / 0)
You can call me naive if you wish, I could just as easily say you are jaded and have no belief in the system or any of our elected officers.

1. Give the CDP and some of our electeds a little credit. Big bucks do not necessarily mean a Big payoff in special attention/legislation.

2. $50,000 relatively is 'chump change' in the whole scheme of things.

3. Corporations give heavily to reeps, but they sometimes spread it around. Take the money.

 


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Institutional response (0.00 / 0)
With all due respect, you're not getting a word of what I'm saying.  The fact of taking oil-stained cash from Chevron is bad enough.  What's worse is that it's completely unnecessary, as I outlined a way to finance at that level that would be smarter, just as lucrative, and bring in thousands of new people with a stake in the party.  This is not 1890, it's 2007 and a 21st century party needs to have 21st century ideas.  "Go get our cash from Standard Oil" is a 19th century idea.  And from a PR perspective, the idea of taking money from Big Oil will drive Democrats away from the party in droves.  There's no point in collecting big money if you just alienated the people you would spend that money on from your message.  This is old, stale, pathetic thinking, or the lack thereof.

Clean money, which I support, is entirely besides the point.


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Denmother Has it Right (8.00 / 1)
Take the money. And by all means, dday's fundraising plan is admirable and he should be encouraged to take a lead in getting it off the ground. It's funny, when there is a meeting to decide how to spend money(inlcuding money from corporations like Chevron)it's hard to find a seat and no one is suggesting at that point we give any back. When you call a meeting about raising money, most of those people who want into the meeting to decide where the dollars are spent just "aren't available." So dday's suggestion is a good one about expanding the fundraising base.

But they are not mutually exclusive. Howard Dean helped the DNC broaden their fundraising base to small doners, putting less reliance on larger donors. They didn't stop taking money from large contributors including big corporations. In making that effort the DNC started to resemble the RNC who had been far more sucessful in attracting a small donor base to the GOP then had the Dems. Not that the small donor base changed one bit the current GOP's almost total devotion to most of the goals of corporate America.

Why not take Chevron's money? They take ours. Their contributions are legal. They, and ARCO and other contributors have been giving to the Democratic Party for years. I may not like some of Chevron's policies on alternative energy and consolidation of the market but some people need to leave their computer screens and go to some community fundraising events, especially in minority communities and see that Chevron and other corporations are out there making positive contributions to good causes. Last night I was at the Awards and Scholorship Dinner for the National Hispanic Business Women's Associaition. Chevron was one of the corporate sponsors of the event. Does that mean the group or myself is suddenly going to bleed petroleum? No. It may mean people will listen to what Chevron has to say but what's wrong with listening? A forgotten art for some I guess.

Does the money Chevron has contributed in the past somehow mean that Chevron has bought "Chevron friendliness." No. You can just refer to the November 2006 election where Chevron put $95 MILLION into the campaign to defeat Proposition 87, the Alternative Energy-Tax on California Oil Producers Initiative. And the Art Torres-led California Democratic Party politely listened to Chevron and the No on 87 campaign(as they should all measures) and told them to pound sand, we're supporting 87. Prop. 87 failed but the Democratic Party supported it.

Once you go down the road of returning money from corporations you don't agree with on everything, where does it stop? How about AT&T, whom the net-rooters believe is trying to build a internet tollroad for corporate America at the expense of Everyman? Should we turn their money down? How about the Edison Company or PG&E, whom some feel are discouraging development of alternative energy sources for financial gain? Adios Edison & PG&E cash?

And why stop the contribution police from just limiting  checks from corporations on their s-list? Maybe we should say no to money from Native American tribes because some of our labor friends believe the native american casinos ignore collective bargaining rights? Or flip that and say, maybe the financial guardians should tell the building trade unions to take their money elsewhere because they tried and continue to support the effort of extending the 241 tollroad through San Onofre State Park? Or because the CTA and UFCW and other unions urged the Party to oppose Prop. 89, send their dollars packing. Where does it end?

I think that Clean Money is precisely relevant. I supported Prop. 89 and support clean money legislation. If we get that put into play we create a far more level playing field. But to start rejecting money now makes no sense. In 1974 Jerry Brown was the principal author of the Political Reform Act of 1974. It was a major step towards political reform, ending the cash underground economy that had existed before and putting limits that had heretofore not existed. When asked why he wasn't following the proposed Act's restrictions in his own campaign(before the law took effect)Brown replied that he wasn't going to campaign with one hand tied behind his back. There was no need to unilaterally disarm then and none now. By all means dday, proceed with your fundraising plan. It sounds wonderful and will certainly help broaden the base and strengthen the base. But in the meantime, I'm hoping Art can raise every legal penny he can, knowing that he can say no to strangers and friends alike when they are wrong and support them when they are right.

 


bullet pointing it (0.00 / 0)
a: Clean Money affects political candidates and not political parties. 

b: 50,000 is a lot of money for one corporation to provide, but in the grand scheme of things not a lot of money (is it even one 30-second ad in LA during election season?), and you end up alienating far more people than you attract with that kind of donation.  That's the key.  I agree that you shouldn't unilaterally disarm but cash like this is more hurtful than helpful, and not understanding that is simply shortsightedness.  I would advise you to get out of fundraisers and party meetings for a second and go to some actual grassroots events, where stories like "did you hear what the Democrats did, taking money from Chevron" are ubiquitous, and they severely damage any semblance of party loyalty.  You have your own blind spots, sir.

c: Parties draw the line all the time when it comes to fundraising.  Your "where do you slice the salami" argument is easily made from the other side.  If the CRP took money from Planned Parenthood, the rank-and-file would be upset and the party leadership would say "who cares, money's money" and lots of people would STOP BEING ACTIVISTS FOR THE PARTY because of such relativism.  It's precisely the same here.

d: You'll have to describe "encouraged to get it off the ground."  Because the truth is that I would have no reason to do it unless it was a complete and total substitute for the Chevron money.  They're breaking the law and ripping off every citizen in this state and I don't really wish to associate myself with them.  Their greenwashing for PR purposes is a pittance compared to the profits they make, and you should be smart enough to know that.


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Better put a serial number on that bullet (8.00 / 1)
Clean Money has a direct and indirect effect. In Prop. 89, Party's were restricted in independent expenditures directly. Indirectly, parties primary functional purpose is to support candidates with the do re mi. If you have public financing you reduce the pressure on parties to raise $$ from those naughty, evil corporations and anyone else not on your A list. By the way, Clean Money for candidates only may work in States that don't have referendums but without some level playing field on ballot emasures you'll just see the battles shift more often from the legislature to referendums, like when the California Chamber folks killed(barely)John Burton's universal health coverage bill in a referendum a few years back.

I don't agree with your premise. I think people will respond to a Party because of its stands on issues and the candidates it fields, not who gives money to it. The integrity of the CDP shown through when it said no to Chevron and supported Prop. 87. I know that fact doesn't fit in well with your argument but that's life in the Golden State.

I admit I have my blind spots...my wife says too much time reading blogs like this one, I attend 5 or 6 party events a year(is that too much since you think thats where I spend my time) and fundraisers. The last two I attended were for scholorships for Latino students at the event I mentioned above and a casino night fundraiser for one of my 6 children's public school. I guess I'm not rubbing shoulders with the right grass roots but I'm ok with it.

I am still waiting about who gets in St. Day's Pearly Gate--or more to the point, who doesn't. Inquiring minds want to know not that the GOP does it but since you've raised the issue of cutting off Chevron's spigot, who else gets sent to political Hades--who else is so sordid that we can't take their money? Where do you draw the line?

What if we got $50,000 from AT&T to replace the Chevron money--would you start on your fundraising program then?

Truly, Andrew is right---public financing gets us out of these situations.


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I'm in the middle of a new post (0.00 / 0)
And should just carry this over, but I'll respond here.

I am very glad to see your support of Clean Money, which is out of step with the stated CDP position last year of neutrality.  Let's work on the issue.  I agree that public financing, initiative reform (Debra Bowen tried it last year, it didn't make it out of the Senate as I recall), et al. are crucial and should be supported right now, considering that Loni Hancock's bill is making it through the Assembly as we speak.

But you're just flat wrong when you think that this kind of donation at this time and under these circumstances hurts more than it helps.  I don't know if you know this, but the CDP has a horrible reputation in this state.  At a time when people are deserting the GOP in record numbers, we're barely moving the needle.  The only way to turn this around is to erase this idea that both parties have their own special interests and that politics is politics and "a pox on both their houses."  This donation, particularly from this company (I wonder how Steven Bing feels about it?), particularly at this time, with gas prices and oil co. profits at an all-time high, particularly in this situation, where the company is artificially decreasing supply like they're OPEC, is to me a no-brainer, St. Hanna.  I'm not blessed with your situationist ethics, but this one is pretty darn easy.  You don't have to have a degree in math to put the 2 and 2 together the way every DTSer reading that story in the LA Times did.  Further, something the party did in the past doesn't innoculate it from future criticism.  The gas crisis is playing out right now.  Democrats have done nothing about it since Nov., save for spending money on infrastructure bonds that call for more roads and make the problem worse.

And as long as we're getting angry because of misperceptions of where one spends one's time, I don't exist only on the Internet, and this is the most infuriating little insult I endure from institutional types.  I've walked precincts, made calls, got elected to a leadership position, raised money, tabled, and done everything else you can think of to advance a Democratic majority in this state and this country.  So seriously, the elitist view where you look down your nose upon me from your lofty perch and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?  It's highly offensive.  And if the people currently in leadership positions are the only ones qualified to have opinions, given the track record of the past few years I'd say we're in trouble.

And $50K, of course, is chicken feed for AT&T compared to the $4 million it cost them to get a video franchising bill passed.


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If you can't take the heat...... (8.00 / 1)
don't start things with a flamethrower. It's amazing how thin skinned you are after you insult people who don't agree with you on this subject, questioning their ethics, their reason for being a Democrat, their intelligence, you name it. And then you get offended when I suggest you get out from under the screen. Geez Louise.

Actually, when you went off like that I wasn't offended, just amused. If you're secure in what you're doing you don't take scuds like that so seriously(unless you're really tired like I was a week or so ago). By the way, I never meant you didn't do other things--i just didn't know what they were. Just like you have no clue what I've done in politics the last 39 years--another reason why I read your rant and just sighed.

I could go up to where you restarted this blog to get a little more traction but not much point in that. You're still unwilling to stake out what the standard is for turning down a contribution. As far as I can see its the "Day's decided this money is different" standard and thats hardly a standard that a Party can rely on or that makes any sense.

I think you're wrong about why people are atttracted or not to a Party--its our candidate leaders that people identify with. Has there ever been any documentation that people are leaving the Democratic Party because we took a contribution from Chevron?  Any documentation that it was because we haven't passed the right resolutions? Or because of the party platform? Who read them anymore(and both parties have some pretty solid stuff in their respective platforms)? It's the candidates and the leadership. Party affiliation is falling off nationwide, less because of any of the above factors and more because people have broken away from many long standing affiliations, people have more access to different sources of information and choices, electoral laws make it easier to be an independent and still vote , even in primaries, plus we haven't had too many inspiring leaders lately. But we've been doing just fine in California given that the big populatioin growth has not been in the liberal citadels of the Bay Area and L.A., but in much redder areas...San Bernardino, Riverside, San Diego, the Central Valley. Despite this we've won most of the big elections here. Good candidates is a lot of that. Republicans beeing out of step with the electorate is another. The Democratic leadership, including the Party, is another. It's funny you want to blame the Democratic Party for losing registration share but not give them any credit for electoral sucesses.

With all due respect, I think your effort , while well intentioned, is just aiming at taking a shot at the Democrats when we should be taking shots at the GOP. And the oil companies, Chevron included. You have no causal link with the Party and the money influence----we take way out views all the time on issues that would confound our corporate and even unions sponsors. When i first read your post I got the idea that YOU were going to lead this fundraising effort. Now I see that you want the Party to return the money and then have the Party get 50,000 people to contribute a dollar each to fill the gap left by giving this money back. And who is going to be doing this exactly? Not you it seems. Who? Are these going to be paid people, if so how much will it cost to raise this? You'd have been better off if you raised $50,000, put it in trust for the Party on condition they return the money and then circulate your petition.

Finally, I'm not sure about this leadership tag you throw my way. I am just  co-chair of a committee. We rank so low that in the convention packet we weren't even included. Regional Directors were. County Committee chairs were. Elected officials were. Not us. I don't have as much influence as you may believe(although I think my internal arguments in support of 89, combined with the grass roots efforts of many, helped move the Party away from opposition to a neutral position). Look, I'd really not have to take money from anybody---clean money is the way to go without a doubt. Until that day though, I can look friend and foe in the eye and tell them " I can take your $$ and tell you to take a hike." If you have difficulty taking someone's money and being able to tell them no, maybe you need to think about what to do about that problem.


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You're a saint, John Hanna! (0.00 / 0)
Or at least, you are for all of us in OC! No really, we appreciate all your years of service to our party. You work wonders for us here.

And yes, while we activists take notice to issues like the Chevron donation, most people don't really notice. They just look at what's happening in their own lives, and they wonder whether politics is even relevant to their lives. That's our challenge. We need to get people to pay attention to what's happening, and to realize that the only way they can change what they don't like is to get involved.

Now I agree with dday that the Chevron donation doesn't help in this regard. However, I don't think enough folks pay attention to this to the point where it actually has much of an effect. What we really need to do is not so much nitpick over donations, but think about our policies. We know our policies are great, but how do we convey that to more people? How do we get them to stop complaining about politics, and start PARTICIPATING in politics?

Again, I don't like seeing the CDP take money from Chevron. I'd just prefer that it not happen. But until we get PUBLIC FINANCING OF ELECTIONS (and that probably won't be for a while), how do we raise enough money for the party to support candidates and infrastructure? I do think we should get more small donors on board (a la Dean and the DNC), but will it be enough? And which big donors are A-OK to give money to the CDP, and which ones aren't?

This just isn't as easy as it seems. Until we get public financing and truly clean elections, there will always be these money issues. We just have to figure out how to deal with it properly.

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I can take it (0.00 / 0)
It's just a complete distortion to imtimate that I do nothing but sit behind a computer screen, and it's particularly amusing that such a charge is leveled by someone... wait for it... sitting behind a computer screen!

And blaming some other comment on being tired is like Tommy Thompson claiming he said gay people could be fired for being gay because he had to go to the bathroom.  Nice company.

You keep going back to this "slice the salami" argument, when the only determination I made on this score was based on common sense, which I'm sure you have.  Would the CDP have been smart (not right, I'm not basing this on right or wrong, but smart) to take money from Enron in 2001?  Considering that this is a PERFECTLY ANALOGOUS SITUATION, that's the question you have to answer.  I really don't think it's that hard a call, and frankly I'm surprised anyone would.

It's also completely tautological to expect documentation for the impact of a contribution that happened four days ago.  Nevertheless, if you want to talk about the general trend of 2006, you cannot deny that turnout in CA was lower where everywhere else in America it was higher.  Democratic ID is rising nationwide (the spread is now 50-35, from the last Pew poll) and is stayin the same or dropping here.  You don't show work in your assertions, which I'm supposed to accept as fact, so I will:

Pew poll.

The best example of partisan ID breakdown, and the trend line from 2004 to 2006, is here.  As you will see, party ID in this state was exactly the same here despite the progressive wave, and it changed dramatically in many other states.

A good report by Juls of what we've internalized about how the Party is slipping.

And you point out PRECISELY why this is going to catch up with us if we're not careful, the expanding populations in the inland areas relative to the coasts demand that the party do a better job in competing everywhere, identifying new voters and reaching out to them.  We cannot be satisfied with just hanging on, as the demographics are actually cutting against us.  There is 5x as much job growth happening in Riverside Co. than LA Co.  And furthermore, the two biggest electoral successes in 2006, the only ones where incumbent Republicans were defeated, were the result of herculean grassroots efforts and, frankly, not the Party.

I'm not some saboteur dying to make myself relevant somehow by hitting the CDP.  I care about the party and what the party does, and I want it to do better.  That's not "taking a shot," it's a concerted effort to help bring the party into the 21st century.  I want to help do that.  But, as I said, like any addiction, the first step is admitting you have a problem.  If you don't see a problem with taking money from the equivalent of Enron circa 2001, I can't help you.


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I don't think you can take it........ (0.00 / 0)
Hypersensitive to the extreme. And if you've never overreacted when tired then you truly are St. Day. The Tommy Thompson scud was cute. Off base but funny.

As long as you keep blogging on this subject I'm going to hold you accountable to have some kind of standard of what is an acceptable contribution. You're taking shots at your Party without being intellectually responsible enough to offer up a policy for unacceptable contributions. I know it's not an easy thing to do, maybe that's why you're refusing to come to grips with it. Where does this end? Is it Chevron now because of the gas prices make them a popular target? Is it because there is something in particular the Chevron has done that some other corporate or other contributors have not done? INquiring minds need to know.

If your point is we shouldn't take a particular contribution because tacticly it's bad(legal but politically radioactive) then that's not a bad argument. You made that earlier but threw in alot of accusatory scuds with that. You may be right about the timing of this contribution now. I'm not sure when the Party got it. However last time I looked Chevron, unlike Enron, was not up to its eyeballs in indictments and convictions and bk, so your analogy doesn't work. But your argument may still be solid. I concede its worth thinking about and I should have acknowedged that to begin with.

As for the Party position in California, you're trying to link Party identification with Party operations and while its a component, its a small one.  I'd say it was a miracle we didn't slip further with Dead Man Walking Phil at the top of the ticket(I doubt it would have been too different with Westly, maybe marginally better). The precincts that I worked during the election had no enthusiasm--zippo---for Phil. And when you get only the hard core base of the party enthusastic about your top gun, well, you're lucky if you come out even. In the past, Democrats in California have seen their fortunes fall when there was a weak candidate at the top of the ticket and a strong REP(think 1980, 1982 and 1984 in particular). Issues come into play sometime---1978 when  the state cracked back at Democrats for misplaying the property tax surplus). But I think it has more to do with our candidates then anything else.

I know we have a problem in the area you note as expanding inland areas. The Democrats are not doing enough in these areas and its another reason why we need Clean Money to be able to compete effectively in these areas. Structually, the Democratic Party raises a significant amount of money through the legislators and donors who want the funds targeted to seats Democrats hold or the few that conventional wisdom deem to be swing. They aren't interested in paying for a voter reg drive or a swap meet booth in Inyokern or Weed. The party clearly needs to do better at expanding its fundraising base to donors who are vested in statewide victories and party building in areas where there are no incumbents. You're right about that. I just don't think we should turn off the spigot anywhere until we have that up and running a heck of a lot better then we do now. unless tactically, the receipt hurts us more then it helps. I don't see that with the Chevron money but I could be wrong. I frankly am skeptical about our ability to marshall sufficient resources in the inland areas to compete effectively. We need to do much, much more but I think we'd be far better off with Clean money.


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I don't think you read the posts (0.00 / 0)
so much as skim.  I've explained precisely why this is an unaceeptable contribution, not right or wrong but simply not smart.  The Speaker of the Assembly today said "I believe that there is market manipulation at the refinery level" and Chevron owns 25% of the refineries.  He's putting forth a raft of legislation along with Assemblymen Feuer, Davis and Eng to oversee refinery maintenance and expand regulatory authority.  The Speaker used the very words "Enron-like tactics".  My standard is that it's not smart to take money from the company engaging in Enron-like tactics.  It's absolutely a perception issue.  I've said this over and over and over again here.  Your inquiring mind can look upthread.  I stated right in the top that the Party got the contribution this week.  Are you intentionally ignoring these facts to extend the argument?  I appreciate the concession, and let me say I would normally give wide latitude on these issues.  But not to the company that is artificially depressing supply to increase profit margin.

About your assessment of the party and its ability to compete inland, I think we're almost entirely in sync, and I live in maybe the bluest area in Southern California.  I think there's no bigger challenge for the party than to expand its base in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties and the Inland Empire.  I don't think enough resources are being marshaled to even think about this, let alone to actually do it.  In the final analysis I don't think we're too far off.  You don't think that the receipt hurts more than it helps, and I'm convinced it does.  Otherwise, we essentially agree.


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Nunez takes on Big Oil (8.00 / 1)
I will not go into your discussion w/ jhanna too much and I do not think anyone is arguing with you over the timing or not.

You did prove my point though: 50K to the CDP (chump change really) and the Democratic Speaker of the Assembly is taking on Big Oil. By the logic of a couple of the posters, Fabian should be giving Chevron Carte Blance to continue manipulating the oil market.


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You're a bit behind here (0.00 / 0)
I detailed in this post how the topic of his own trip on Chevron's dime was the first question at the Nunez press conference, and how it really irked him.  By my count, the CDP accepting this gift at a time when there's now pending legislation before the Assembly makes this even worse, actually, and I say exactly why in the aforementioned post.  Join the discussion.

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Perhaps this is the answer... (0.00 / 0)
You raised an interesting point with the DNC. Perhaps we should take dday's suggestion, and be more aggressive in reaching out to small donors. Implement in the CDP what the DNC has been so successful in doing. We lessen our reliance upon big donors, but we DON'T push them out.

And you did raise a good point of who's acceptable and who's not. If we can't take money from Chevron because they're Big Oil, then why should we still take money from AT&T as they're Ma Bell? And should we take money from CWA, since they're in bed with Ma Bell? And should we take money from the Building and Trades Union, as they support the horrid Toll Road to Trestles? And should we take money from the environmental groups that do business with big business? Where does it stop?

Personally, I don't want ANY of this money in politics. I'd prefer full public financing. However, I know that this might take a while. So in the mean time, how do we get money for the party? That's the challenge, and there really isn't a simple and easy answer.


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