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The Conservative Vision Of A Constitutional Convention

by: David Dayen

Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 10:04:36 AM PDT


In the wake of the latest, but by no means the last, budget mess in California, I continue to believe that the only way to break the deeply negative cycle of fiscal dysfunction and budgetary gridlock is through a Constitutional convention that restores democracy and provides sensible, workable government in the state of California.  You'll be interested to know that this belief actually transcends party lines.  Tom Karako directs the Golden State Center at the Claremont Institute, one of the nation's most conservative think tanks.  And even he agrees that the state's Constitution needs to change to better serve the public.  I haven't previously seen a conception of what a conservative vision for a Constitutional convention would look like, and so I think it's worth analyzing it to see their preferred options.  Karako first says:

If Californians do rewrite the Constitution, it should be revised to resemble more closely the concise federal Constitution: more responsible legislators and executives, stronger control of the bureaucracy and less direct democracy.

Then he comes up with several issues that appear nowhere in the federal Constitution.  Here are his six proposals:

1. Part-time Legislature
2. Hard spending cap
3. Two-year budgeting cycle
4. Eliminate the two-thirds supermajority requirement for budgets
5. Unified executive branch
6. Repeal ballot-box budgeting

The first four are either irrelevant to the federal Constitution or in direct conflict to federal Constitutional provisions.  But I will soldier on and take them in kind.

Karako clarifies that his vision of a "part-time legislature" would not be a citizen legislature, and would include the same salaries and responsibilities as today.  With all due respect, then, we already have this.  State legislative sessions, in theory, open in January and end on August 31, and there are numerous recesses in between those dates.  The only reason it seems lately like the legislature is always at work is because four extraordinary sessions have been called in the past year and a half to deal with the budget mess.  Our legislature works around six months out of the year in less extraordinary circumstances.  That sounds part-time to me.

This notion of a hard spending cap has been soundly rejected by the voters twice in the past four years.  It is certainly not a feature of the federal Constitution, and it does not take into account emergency spending needs, the outpacing of inflation over wages in areas like health care, and multiple other provisions.  States with spending caps have seen their quality of life suffer and their state rankings plummet (see TABOR in Colorado).  This would in my view be disastrous, and obviously it's the major bone of contention between liberals and conservatives.

A two-year budget cycle actually sounds prudent to me.  I would supplement it with an advisory long-term budgeting benchmark that would bring the concept of long-term planning back into state government, but anything that looks beyond the horizon could improve the quality of state budgets.

Conservatives have begun to relent on the 2/3 rule for passing a state budget, while keeping in the requirement for taxes, for somewhat selfish reasons.  I agree that the current system eliminates accountability for both sides of the aisle, and letting the majority rule on these issues would allow the people to decide the results of that course of action.  But Karako doesn't take this to the logical conclusion, that a budget is composed of taxes and spending, and that only with a full repeal of both of these 2/3 provisions would we have representative democracy in this state.  He wants to hold one party responsible for budgeting while tying their hands on how to go about instituting that budget.

After citing positively how other states have part-time legislatures, and negatively how only two other states require a 2/3 vote to pass a budget, Karako calls for a "unified executive branch" without mentioning that practically no other state has its Governor appoint all additional Constitutional officers.  Some states have Governors appoint certain various members, but not the entire slate.  This and the next idea show a typical conservative contempt for the will of the people.  Democracy, even direct democracy, is not the problem with California.  (This "unified executive branch" is also a cover for vesting greater authority in the executive to engage in, as Karako says, "firing and controlling non-elected bureaucrats and public employee unions," or union-busting, in the vernacular.)

And that leads us to Karako's idea to repeal all ballot-box budgeting, where he does not specify between different types of ballot-box budgeting.  Those measures with funding sources provide no strain on the budget process because they do not impact the General Fund.  Unfunded mandates do represent a problem, and reformers have devised a solution, essentially "paygo" for ballot initiatives, requiring that they include a funding source before presenting them to voters.  Karako, instead, wants to repeal all voter-approved measures and place them under the General Fund.  I also believe in the indirect initiative, allowing the legislature a crack at either passing a ballot measure themselves in consultation with the proponents, or changing the language with amendments to better reflect current priorities.

On one thing I agree with Karako; "California needs constitutional reform before we can expect sustained fiscal reform."  I don't think his ideas hold to his belief in drawing on the wisdom of the US Constitution; however, I do see some common ground, on two-year budget cycles, on the need for democratic rule, on initiative reform.  My belief is that a Constitutional convention could bring together the entire rich diversity of the state to discuss, debate and decide on these issues, coming to a decision that will improve representative government in the state.  I'll see Mr. Karako there.

UPDATE by Robert: For a progressive vision of a constitutional convention, the Courage Campaign's Citizens Plan to Reform California (CPR for California) is a good place to start. I plan to write more about it this week.

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Good stuff (5.00 / 4)
Last night when I was trying to decide what to write about at Calitics this morning I was torn between this and the Obama/Duncan attack on CA schools. As you can tell, that latter story registered higher on my outrage meter. But you've done a good job of taking down Karako's nonsensical right-wing "solutions".

I would just add a couple things:

1. A part-time legislature would accomplish nothing of value. California is larger than any other state. Most states with part-time legislatures are far smaller, with less governing work to do. A part-time legislature is nothing more than a "shrink the government" attack.

2. Washington State uses a 2-year budget cycle, and after watching it in practice, I am a strong supporter of adopting it here in California. It provides much-needed stability for state agencies and those Californians who rely on public services.

3. A "unified executive branch" is desired because the one office Republicans have managed to hang onto in a Democratic state is the governor's office. It's a ploy to ensure conservative dominance of our government. Can you imagine a right-wing secretary of state? Ugh.

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What's so weird (5.00 / 1)
about Karako's part-time legislature argument is that he acknowledges that California needs a professional legislature and that he wouldn't even touch their salaries.  I think he threw this in there to please the base or something, because it doesn't appear he even believes in it.

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Especially weird (0.00 / 0)
in that it would constitute a quite large effective pay increase.  

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"Part time legislature" is a Grover Norquist dog whistle (0.00 / 0)
It means: less government.  A part time legislature would have less time to do its work.

For my part, I want a competent legislature.  That means they can set their own hours -- they can work from 7 PM to 7 AM if they so desire -- as long as they get their work done on time with no extraordinary sessions.  I want an experienced legislature.  That means no term limits.


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After mulling it over... (5.00 / 1)
...It's occurred to me that we should probably develop our "must have" items for a new Constitution like the discussion here delves into.

Upon further reflection, we should probably start by being more concerned with the parameters of the convention.

* Public financing of any election of delegates.
* Absolute proportional representation. No extra delegates for counties or rural regions.

Stuff like that.


[ Parent ]
You mean PR for the convention itself? (0.00 / 0)
I would strongly argue against linking parties to delegates in any way. What that would do is guarantee a certain number of Republicans when in fact that isn't necessary or desirable. Elect 10-15 delegates per Assembly district. That would ensure multiple parties are represented, but that most delegates are representative of the given district.

I think the parameters of the convention matter, but you can also get bogged down in them. Best to maintain a focus on what a convention can and should accomplish and not lose ourselves in a process argument.

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asdf (0.00 / 0)
I hate process arguments in general, but in this case I think the process will determine the effectiveness of the outcome.

I don't think I did, or at least didn't mean to suggest that there should be representation based on party. I agree that would be a mistake.

Take a look at--I hope I get this right--AB 4 (Blakeslee) trying to rejigger the delegate selection process. I don't trust it.

If we limit the convention too much, or if we allow the delegate to be weighted towards moneyed interests, it would be a disaster.


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asdf (0.00 / 0)
AB 4 does it by equalization district and only provides for 56 delegates and they have to have lived there for 10 years.

So, what kind of people stay somewhere for more than 10 years...?

P.S. Proportional representation for the convention itself is what I meant; yes. Not by party, but per capita. I think public financing of their campaigns for election is the only way to make it work.

Maybe that's a process concern, but I think it's a legitimate one.

I'll review these bills and diary about them later.


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asdf (5.00 / 1)
I agree that about 95% of the matter in our state constitution needs to be turned into statute, while making what's in the constitution harder to violate.

But all of these ideas out of the right wing think tanks from the last 10 years or so--spending caps, etc.--are no different than the ones they had in the 90s: line-item veto, term limits, etc. in that they just simply attempt to rig the system against spending.

I understand that priority, but spending should be tempered through the democratic process, not through constitutional straight jackets. Does anyone really think that the lack of a provision in the state constitution is going to silence the Howard Jarvis groups??!?

I agree that we need to eliminate dead hand control over the governor and legislature and eliminate mob rule through the ballot box and make our constitution more like the federal one.

And maybe they are laying down a marker there. Here's my markers:

* Proportional representation in the lower house with no more than 50,000 voters to assemblyperson

* Keep regional concerns in the senate, but make sure that no more than 100,000 voters per senator.

* Legal gay marriage

* No constitutional limits on taxing or spending (i.e. dead hand control over the future)

* No initiatives

** I'm willing to negotiate on a unitary executive if the proportional representation house gets advice and consent.

In our federal system, states are sovereign. Their power is only limited by the constraints of the federal system and their own constitutions. We need to unleash that sovereignty a little more to be able to carry out the will of the voters now, or at least those now living, instead of people revolting against the railroad 100 years ago.


P.S. (0.00 / 0)
I'm just hoping we can get some consensus that the limited yet unalienable right to fish can be protected sufficiently by statute...

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Excellent point (5.00 / 1)
The right-wing goal is to rig the system against spending. We have to keep that in mind and then put out progressive solutions that defeat that effort.

It is also worth discussing whether we want to rig the system FOR spending. I am inclined to think the answer is yes.

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asdf (0.00 / 0)
Personally, I don't think the system should be rigged either way. I think the system should give the Legislature flexibility and the check will be at the ballot box.

One of the rules of the English Constitution is that a past Parliament cannot tie the hands of a future Parliament. That's the paradox of a completely sovereign legislature.

In California, we have it so that the people of 1909 have tied the hands not just of the people of 2009 but of the legislature of 2009. Of course, California is not a completely sovereign legislature because it is limited by the federal system, but it is also limited in literally hundreds of ways by the state constitution to no useful effect.


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why PR only in the lower house? (5.00 / 1)
The German model of PR allows district representatives and PR combined into one by having a flexible legislature that expands or contracts based on keeping the proportions of party vote percentage intact.

By keeping the old majoritarian district election system in the upper house, you are just perpetuating a system that doesnt work.

And although we've had bad experience with iniatives, I would say that direct democracy works on a local level more so than on a state-wide level. Switzerland and I believe Californian localities have had positive experiences with direct democracy. It is when we get state iniatives that things start to go sour. Keep it for the localities, but scrap it for the state.


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ideally (0.00 / 0)
I would just create a proportionally elected parliamentary system with a weak governor who was only empowered to delay or veto legislation (subject to override)--something like England when the Royal Assent was something that was more than pro forma, or maybe something like Israel now.

However, California has sectional interests that can't be ignored and no stable system would come from ignoring them. What you suggest is to blend them somehow. That's not much different than what I did, just in degree.

You could easily calibrate that blend different ways. You could also do instant runoff voting for the regional seats.

I'm not a fan of the local ballot initiatives either, though I think a massive restructuring of our local government system is just about as critical as reform at the state level, but that might just be too much to chew at once.


[ Parent ]
City of Ventura is currently having an unhappy experience with a voter initiative (0.00 / 0)
intended to halt smart-growth mixed-use infill development. It was promoted as a measure to "protect scenic views" and sold with the most egregious lies ("tall buildings cause global warming, kill birds, etc. etc.)

It got onto the ballot with the help of hired signature gathering, paid for by New York millionaire Howie Rich, in his perennial effort to gut eminent domain laws.

I support citizen initiatives, but as long as we allow paid signature gathering, the process will be abused by special interests.


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What would a model constitution look like? (5.00 / 2)
It wouldn't be based on a two party majoritarian district election scheme. Proportionally representative democracy, by contrast, gives us real deliberative democracy, because it allows all people to be represented by the party of their choice. The deliberation takes place in the legislature, not by the voters themselves.

The good thing about proportionally representative democracy being implemented in this state is that it would allow Californians to break free of the Republican-Democrat mold that we do not fit into. Out of any state in the union, Californians are the ones who least identify with either of the major parties. But in such a polyglot state, you cannot reasonably feel represented when you only have two choices. And of course, we all know that third-parties can never really stand a chance in a majoritarian election system. Democracy should not be about a partisan fight over a majority of the votes in imperfectly drawn districts--which can never be perfectly drawn. It should be about everyone being represented and the fight taking place within the legislature.


Unified Executive Branch (6.00 / 3)
New Jersey is the only state in which the Governor appoints all statewide executive officers. This will slightly change in November as the state will elect its first ever Lt. Governor (although candidates will be running mates with the Gubernatorial candidates instead of independently elected like they are here). Given the unbelievable amount of power that New Jersey voters give their governor (along with a lot of other peculiar political laws), it is probably not a coincidence that it is consistently one of the most corrupt states in the country.

Wrong on NJ (0.00 / 0)
As a matter of fact, New Jersey has one of the most efficient state governments in the nation.  It is also not the most corrupt.  California wins that contest hands down.  There is not even any contest.

New Jersey is a single Federal district.  (California has four Federal districts.)  For the past 40-plus years, the US Attorney's office in New Jersey has concentrated on prosecuting local government corruption.  Be it Republican or Democratic Presidents, the US Attorney's Office in NJ goes after corruption.

In California, the US Attorneys are worthless.  They overlook the most egregious corruption unless forced to act by the newspapers or a public outcry.   Congressman Randy Duke Cunningham was exposed by the San Diego newspapers, forcing the US Attorney there to act.  Twenty or so years ago, a Congressman from LA County, Jay Kim, was exposed by the LA Times.

Bribe taking is institutionalized in California.  Indeed, the Fair Political Practices Commission has codified it.  (FPPC Reg. 18524 provides that campaign contributions may be used for "expenses associated with holding that office.")  Thus, we have legislators taking family trips to France which are billed as "trade missions" during which the aforementioned legislator (a Democrat) purchases $10,000 worth of French wine and goes on a $5,000 shopping spree at Louis Vuitton.  The trip, the shopping spree, and the wine were all paid for with campaign "contributions".

The Los Angeles City Council has "officerholder accounts" from which similar expenditures can be made.  The officeholder account is limited to $75,000 but can be replenished as soon as it falls below that amount.

Notice, also, that the New Jersey perps were, for the most part, local officials.  Such crooked politicians never get the chance to move up to higher office.

The New Jersey governor appoints the Cabinet, but does so with the advice and consent of the Senate.  The New Jersey governor also appoints all judges, again with the advice and consent of the Senate.  The Attorney General and the Secretary of State, once appointed and confirmed, cannot be removed during the governor's term.  That way they can't be fired for political reasons.  County prosecutors (equivalent to our District Attorneys) are also appointed by the governor with the advice and consent of the Senate.  The county prosecutor serves a five-year term once confirmed, thus overlapping the gubernatorial term.

I have practiced in the Courts of New Jersey and the Courts of California.  The New Jersey Courts are head and shoulders above the rest of the country and fathoms above California's courts.  Remember that there is no advice and consent here.  Judges here (those who are appointed) go through a vetting process with an arm of the State Bar.  However, the State Bar is right-wing in the extreme and protects prosecutors from being marked with anything that would result in their not being appointed to the bench some day.

New Jersey's citizens understand that corruption and greed exist but do not approve of it.  Californians believe that corruption and greed are inevitable and shrug their shoulders about it.  Thus, the cynicism that has been nurtured for the past half century has taken hold and no one cares.  It is, in a sense, very sad.

There is no such thing as a corrupt "progressive".  Some of the bloggers seem to think otherwise.  The attitude in California seems to be that as long as a representative votes a particular way on certain issues corruption is permitted.  


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New Jersey Corruption (0.00 / 0)
"New Jersey's corruption problem is one of the worst, if not the worst, in the nation," said Ed Kahrer, who heads the FBI's white-collar and public corruption division. "Corruption is a cancer that is destroying the core values of this state." Reuters 7/23/09

130 officials in New Jersey (many were state officials) have pleaded guilty or were convicted of corruption since 2001. Some of those local officials that were convicted were also state officials (it is legal to hold local and state positions at the same time in New Jersey), e.g., Sharpe James.

I am not sure California can compete with that immaculate record.  


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question (0.00 / 0)
I'm not convinced that's related to a unitary executive or that it would translate to California.

My problem with the slate of elected statewide officers is that they aren't paid much attention to. I'd rather have the liability all wrapped up into the gubernatorial election where people care.


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Beaucoup elected officials (4.00 / 1)
The sole purpose of electing all sorts of members of the executive branch is to give politicians and office to run for and hold until the next vacancy opens up.

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FBI offices (0.00 / 0)
Like US Attorney's offices, FBI offices have their own local cultures.  The local FBI offices in California have always turned a blind eye to corruption. It is so systemic in California that no one pays attention.  One can see stories in the press about corruption in California that is ignored.

For example, years ago, the San Diego police chief was found to have "fixed" over 10,000 traffic tickets, a Federal crime that even most New Jersey politicians would not think of committing.  That San Diego police chief is now the San Diego County Sheriff.  The US Attorney did nothing.  The LA Times killedthe story after a few days.

Last October, a Court of Appeal opinion revealed that the all the judges of the Los Angeles Superior Court have been receiving additional "extra" pay from the County of Los Angeles.  (The Judges are state employees paid by the state.)  Each judge gets money and benefits worth up to $46,000 per year.  (That was in 2007, the last year figures are available.)  This is a raise of 27% over their base salary.

There are approximately 429 judges in LA County.  Not one judge reported the extra income to the Fair Political Practices Commission.  Not one judge revealed this "extra" income to litigants bringing suits against the county.  Not one judge revealed this income to criminal defendants when they knew (or should have known) that the DA could prosecute them for taking the unlawful extra money.

This is systemic and makes New Jersey pale by comparison.


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New Constitution (0.00 / 0)
I geeked out this weekend and began a draft of a new state constitution for California.

It contains some of the ideas being discussed here. If I hadn't already written one, I'd make it a diary today.

For now, here it is.


What's this clause mean exactly (0.00 / 0)
The people do not grant the state the police power to regulate the morals of its citizens. The powers of the state are otherwise unlimited except as set forth herein, and as required by the federal system. The people do not reserve to themselves the power of initiative, referendum, or recall.

My suspicion is the first portion would be easy to misunderstand (even if I was clear I understood it).  But my question is narrower: is it clear legally what this would mean?

As for the second: you're suggesting revoking the initiative system?  This is not an unreasonable position (lots of states don't have one) but I wanted to be clear that's what you mean.


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This Is The Problem (5.00 / 2)
This is, of course, the problem in proposing a constitutional convention -- there is no way to ensure that we don't get bizarre ideas like a part time legislature for the 6th largest economy in the world.

A question I have had -- can California go to a parliamentary form of government, or does it run afoul of the US Constitution concerning separation of powers.

I don't believe there is any specific provision in the US Constitution mandating the states to have such separation of powers; but it is certainly implied.  


Good question. (0.00 / 0)
I have often argued that the "republican form of government" clause in the U.S. Constitution means that our ochlocratic voter initiatives violate the U.S. Constitution, but apparently that has been a non-starter in the Supreme Court in the past (interpreting 'republican' in the sense of anything non-monarchical).

Separation of powers might be something read into the due process clause, or some other element of the U.S. Consitution that applies to states. What might be a problem is that if the Legislature is the highest court, it would run afoul of the no bills of attainder provision. Maybe. And whether that provision applies to the states is, to my knowledge, nowhere addressed. (Nor is it anywhere addressed to my knowledge whether attainder violates due process.)

But.

I don't think there is anything that requires separation of powers. Here's my counterargument.

States are sovereign. Only those powers granted to the federal government pursuant to that sovereignty may limit that state's sovereignty. The people of the state exercising their sovereignty may vest the legislative, executive, and judicial power in whomever they want.

Indeed, we have vested that power in the voters of the state in the initiative process, have we not? There is no parliament we could create pursuant to a new state constitution that has more power than the voters currently do under the current one (assuming that the revision/amendment distinction is as dead as it seems).

In general, I'm not a fan of the legislature being the court of last resort. I also think there should be some non-legislative power that can at least force a revote at a later time on legislation, but those qualms apply mainly to the highest governments. I don't think some of the concerns that apply in those situations (rush to war etc.) apply at the state level.

As long as the Legislature-as-court-of-appeal could not violate ex post facto or other aspects of due process, I guess it could work.


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I'd prefer parliamentary government to PR (5.00 / 1)
The deeper question here is not PR or similar, but what role you intend to promote for party organizations.

On the whole, issues that you need to think about, based on what I've seen in countries (or provinces) with parliamentary systems or that use proportional rep:

  1. Does the system tend to guarantee a strong and accountable majority?
  2. Does the system effectively protect minority rights?
  3. Does the system protect the rights of individual people effectively against powerful private institutions like corporations?
  4. Does the system promote the idea of "constituent service", where some member of the legislature feels responsible for some defined group of people?
  5. Are representatives accountable to some public?
  6. Are representatives sufficiently independent of their publics that they can make long term decisions?
  7. Can ordinary people afford to run for office?
  8. Can we get very talented people to run for office?

This is a very partial list of the things you want to ask about any constitutional arrangement or reform.  Note they have a good deal of internal contradiction built into them.

I like the system in the UK a lot, since it encourages good people to run and remain in public office, has clear local districts where the representatives do constituent service (BTW:   PR sucks at this.  Ask any Israeli.), and there is a clear culture of accountability of the majority.

And on the whole, I think that the concept of "separation of powers" is overrated.  As long as the judiciary is truly independent, I don't think that the separation of executive and legislative power has historically "bought us" very much in the US, and without question, it has in many cases been a real pain in the ass.


[ Parent ]
One of the gravest problems facing all governments is (6.50 / 2)
the influence of lobbyists representing corporate elites and the wealthy, the people who can afford to pay lobbyists and their propagandists in "Think Tanks".  How will the process of a Constitutional Convention NOT turn into a feeding frenzy for those interests who'll attempt to turn California into some style of serfdom?  You know that's what they want.  Maybe they can bring back slavery in some form.

I share that apprehension... (5.00 / 1)
However, if the delegates are not facing re-election, perhaps they can deliberate free from the influence of campaign donors.

One point to remember: The purpose of a constitution is to define and limit the powers of government, not the conduct of people. It should have nothing to say about alcoholic beverages, marriage, flag-burning or reproductive rights.


[ Parent ]
Police powers (0.00 / 0)
One of the main differences between states' powers and federal powers is the police power. States have the power generally to regulate the health, safety, welfare, and morals of their populations. I would suggest that any Constitution we agree too does not vest from the people the right to regulate morals in the police power.

Though this power has been limited by court decisions over the years, it is still there and should not be granted to the government!


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Idea (0.00 / 0)
Public funding for delegate elections should be a deal-breaker issue for our side to agree to a convention. Any outside money in the process--be it from labor or business--should be absolutely out of the question. It's a Constitution.

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I have been pushing that model (0.00 / 0)
For some time now - delegates to a convention should be elected in a publicly financed election.

That will make it very difficult for wingnuts with deep pockets to game a convention to their favor. I personally think the risk of that happening to be very low no matter what the selection process is, and that we need to not be afraid of them or of a convention.

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I agree (0.00 / 0)
The thought of sober, educated individuals debating a new state constitution sounds good in theory.  But in practice I'm afraid every item on every loony right-wing wish list will get a hearing and that the Democrats will, to mix my metaphors, cave in and give away the store.  

[ Parent ]
Why would they? (0.00 / 0)
This isn't going to be a convention whose delegates are drawn from the ranks of the Legislature. It's more likely you'd have progressive activists in there, people who know to NEVER give in to right-wing demands.

It's also worth noting that "every loony right-wing wish list" is going to push itself to the forefront of the reform agenda in the state, and likely onto the ballot, even if we do not hold a Constitutional Convention. We will have to fight that no matter what the venue. The benefit of a convention is that we can offer our own ideas without having to scrape together $1-$2 million per idea just to put it on the ballot.

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I am not necessarily opposed to a convention (0.00 / 0)
There's a lot about state government that needs fixing.  It's just hard for me to believe that big business and the super wealthy won't find a way to hijack the process.  Who decides who will be a delegate?  And if there are progressive activists at the convention, I'm sure the Grover Norquist types will be out in force too, so will majority votes prevail, or is 2/3 required?  How was it all done in 1879?

[ Parent ]
Absolutely! (0.00 / 0)
It's just hard for me to believe that big business and the super wealthy won't find a way to hijack the process.

And not only for choosing the delegates.  Imagine the "pressure", i.e. bribes, which will come raining down on EVERY delegate who's chosen.  The only person I KNOW to be immune to this is, of course, ME.  Can you imagine the hundreds of billions which would find their way into this process for the prize of running California like some 9th century kingdom?  One solution.  Everything is shown over the internet; no behind the scenes "sausage making" like we get  now. Sunlight ... the best disinfectant.


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The Cow Pasture Theory of the California Constitution (0.00 / 0)
You're asking the key question here.  The federal constitution mentions neither corporations nor political parties.  This is partly out of distaste for "faction", but also because modern parties and modern corporations did not exist yet.  It's like what I read about once in a book very popular in Massachusetts, the Boston Driver's Handbook:

The most widely accepted theory on the nonsense of Boston street layout is known as the Cow Pasture Theory.  To understand it, one must again return to seventeeth-century Boston.  In those days, residents liked to graze their cows on the Common and do a little socializing at the same time.  On the often roundabout way to and from their barns, the cows would make paths.  The biggest of these became Beacon Street; Tremont; Washington, and all the rest followed.  The reason Boston's streets are what they are today, is that they were designed by cows, and the cows were simply not clever enough to envision the coming of the automobile 250 years later when deciding where to make their tracks.

We should appreciate what the Founders did, but we should also remember that in some ways, they were doing what those cows were doing.


[ Parent ]
Two Year Budget Cycle is Insane (5.00 / 1)
California is 33 million people with one of the largest economies of the world. My indignancy makes me now say 'nuff said.

asdf (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sold on that idea yet either. I'm not sure what stops them from tweaking as it runs along. I dunno, I need to read up more, but until then I remain unconvinced but open to it.

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I don't understand the objection here (0.00 / 0)
Why would a large economy negate a 2-year budget cycle? Washington is about a fifth the size of California, true, but the system works very well up there. The 2-year cycle provides needed stability to schools, health care services, and those on state assistance. It does nothing to stop economic growth or activity. There's every reason to believe it will scale well to California.

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A "parliamentary" system need not place judicial power in the hands of the legislature; that feature is not all that common, being relegated mostly to Britain.  (And even there, by convention, Law Lords and ONLY Law Lords hear judicial cases, and they don't usually participate in other debate.)  I would retain the Supreme Court as a separate body.

In the "ideal world", I would propose a unicameral legislature, with anywhere from 100-200 members elected by single member districts, serving terms of no more than four years.  To the directly-elected members, I would add 50-100 chosen from party lists based on the statewide vote totals for the legislature.  Third (and even second) parties would have an incentive to campaign statewide, running up the total for their statewide allocation.  

Cabinet-style government would be the norm for the executive branch.  The governor would have his powers weakened, and either be directly elected or chosen by the legislature for a fixed term.  I would also prefer to have the state's chief elections official and chief prosecutor protected from partisan pressures, but I am not sure the best method for that. However, for the ordinary "business" of government, the legislative majority would run the show.  It goes without saying that term limits would be weakened, if not eliminated.  The motion of no confidence, or failure to pass a budget in a timely fashion, would dissolve the legislature and force new elections.  

Initiatives would be subject to review and amendment by the legislature (with consent of the drafters) before being placed on the ballot, would require a significantly higher proportion of registered voters to qualify, and would automatically sunset after five to seven years.  Constitutional amendments could only be adopted at regularly-scheduled general elections, and would require two-thirds vote for approval.  Contributions to initiatives and referenda would be reportable, all the way back to the initial donor, i.e., any committee giving to an initiative campaign, even indirectly, must immediately disclose all reportable ($100+) contributors.

I would also eliminate contested elections for judges at all levels -- trial judges would be subject to approval by the electorate at regular intervals much as appellate judges are now.  Judges before the voters would be forbidden from raising campaign funds on their own behalf, and would be barred at all times from contributing to any campaign in any amount, or as near as possible and pass Constitutional muster.

Just a few thoughts...


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