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The WSJ Takes A Look At Regressive Taxation

by: Robert Cruickshank

Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 14:30:00 PM PDT


On Saturday Joe Mathews (who runs the excellent Blockbuster Democracy blog) had a very interesting article in the Wall Street Journal on Democratic and progressive reactions to the Parsky Commission proposals that, except for  the Fred Keeley/Chris Edley progressive proposals would embrace an overtly regressive tax structure. Mathews included this quote from yours truly:

Robert Cruickshank, a contributing editor at the progressive blog Calitics, says of the commission's expected recommendations: "Most progressives are not going to support these kind of regressive solutions. You would see a fight if the Democratic legislature made a move to do this."

Mathews also quoted Rick Jacobs of the Courage Campaign (who is my boss; I'm also the Public Policy Director at the Courage Campaign):

But supporters of the commission's proposals are likely to get a fair hearing. Frustration with the California status quo crosses all ideological lines. Even those who disagree with the commission's thrust are glad to have something new to discuss. "I'm really glad they're trying something," said Rick Jacobs, chairman of the Courage Campaign, a progressive Internet network with more than 700,000 members. He argues that the existing state tax system is too regressive. "It's important to push the discussion out."

I want to go into more depth on both of these points. As with any article, one tells the reporter much more than shows up in print. First, on my quote. I said that to Mathews before word of the Keeley/Edley effort to propose progressive solutions became known, but their efforts merely confirm the broader point, which is that progressives will never embrace regressive taxation as a "solution" to California's budget mess.

California's tax system is already regressive as the lowest 20% pay a much higher portion of their income in taxes than the wealthy. That has been a deliberate policy choice, going back to Prop 13. But it has never been discussed openly. (And I do wish it had been mentioned in the WSJ article.)

Which is why the Parsky Commission, in its own way, is doing California a service. Instead of back-room deals that regressivize the tax structure without any public input, the commission has undertaken a very open process and is embracing the goals of letting the rich evade their responsibilities.

In the end most Democrats and virtually all progressives will oppose any regressive tax proposals. It's time we fixed the state's tax structure, yes, but volatility isn't actually a problem - the regressive and too-low nature of taxation in CA is, and if the Parsky Commission leads to a discussion and proposals to progressivize the system, then it will have been a useful exercise indeed.

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Dan Walters and CalBuzz are reporting... (0.00 / 0)
that Keeley is pushing to present a Blue Side, while Parsky presents a Red Side.  Keeley's side would create a split roll with a slightly higher cap on commercial property tax rates.

They're meeting in SF on Thursday -- I don't suppose this would be a public meeting?

FWIW, Walters wants to see One Big Purple Report.


California Income Taxes (0.00 / 0)
I spoke to a state legislator recently who told me that a family of three earning $40,000 annually pays no California income taxes yet a single individual earning $36,000 does.

In fact he said to me that the problem is that there are too many exempt wage earners in the state which is the reason why California is broke and that he would in fact support a flat tax measure that gets all wage earners in the system and contributing.

That legislator was a Los Angeles Democrat.


Legislator must think (5.00 / 1)
persons 2 &3 don't require food, space, transportation, clothes, childcare, health care - obviously works out to $10K/adult. Who is rich on that kind of income. Of course the family does not pay taxes, except for sales tax.

And at 10% on virtually everything they buy except rent and food cooked at home/cold takeout, they are paying a ton of taxes...


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This is no answer at all (0.00 / 0)
The hard reality is that low wage earning Californians are being squeezed by a regressive Sales Tax that makes no sense.

A "flat" tax like Pennsylvania would raise taxes from all wage earning employees, the very employees who benefit the most from state sponsored benefits.

The Sales Tax needs to be reformed capped and every wage earner should be pay income taxes. How do you justify a person paying no income taxes while others are being taxed into oblivion?

The system is in dire need of real reform. There isn't a state in the nation that exempts a $40,000 a year wage earner with three dependents.


[ Parent ]
California has a flat tax (0.00 / 0)
It's called income tax. The 9.9% rate is the same for 50k-1M$. That is a flat tax on the vast majority of wage earners in the State.

[ Parent ]
Thank you for making my point. (0.00 / 0)
Everyone under $50K is getting a free ride. Can't complain about Prop 13 until the state's Income tax is reformed and revised.

[ Parent ]
everyone under 50K (0.00 / 0)
doesn't pay sales taxes?  That's odd.  Oh wait, that's complete crap, they do.  And in fact, if you look at the total effective tax rates, people making under 50K pay 10-11% of their income to the state in taxes, while those making over 250K pay 7%.

I can't complain about your lack of knowledge if it's merely ignorance, but I doubt that highly.


[ Parent ]
Excuse me. (0.00 / 0)
Please show me the box on my tax return that refers to "effective" tax rate?

More liberal rhetoric as the people who pay the bills are villified from the hard left looking for free healthcare and other freebies at the expense of those shouldering the financial burden.


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taxes 101 (0.00 / 0)
effective tax rate means the amount in taxes you actually pay.  This may come as a shock to you, but you do not only pay taxes on your tax return!  No really!  Every time you buy a good, and every time you get a paycheck, you are taxed.  And if you add up those numbers, the rich make out better than the poor in the state of California.  I'm really sorry to dazzle you with "numbers" and "facts".

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So you support the most regressive Sales & Income Taxes (0.00 / 0)
In the country and the budget is still $26 billion in deficit and your answer is?

Raise taxes even higher?

Kill Prop 13 and waste more money on a hopeless education system that does not work?

Did you forget we need to pay federal taxes too and your buddy the community organizer want to increase rates to 56%?

How about distributing the tax burden to everyone who earns wages in California?

What a novel idea that would be since most of the people who use the largest expenditures in the budget are low income and no income residents.

Do you hate people who earn a decent wage or just want them all to leave the state?


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Thats not much (0.00 / 0)
40,000 for a family of three is not much, Do it is not a surprise that they pay little in income taxes. What they pay is a very high percentage of their income in fees and sales taxes.  

Thats not much (0.00 / 0)
40,000 for a family of three is not much, so it is not a surprise that they pay little in income taxes. What they pay is a very high percentage of their income in fees and sales taxes.  

Does anyone know of any comparisons (0.00 / 0)
of California income and tax structures with other states?

Our income distribution is so skewed - top 20% earn 50% of income, bottom 20% only 3% of income - that there needs to some drastic overhaul of the wage and tax structure.

Wealthy would not be supporting so much of state expenses if the wage structure was more equitable. Still and all, the top quintile can't be paying its fair share.

Property tax is so horribly unfair - 40% of the 10 homeowners on my block pay less than $1000 per year in property tax. Of those, only 1 is a an original owner senior. Other 3 are children of original owners... Should their benefits be preserved  until the 3rd or 4th generation? Why are they more deserving of a very large subsidy than other retirees on the block (9 of 10 homeowners)?

Whine, whine, whine. But equity is a primary standard for a tax system - and we sure don't have it now.


Colorado has a great property tax equation (0.00 / 0)
Basically, the state charges 1% of the homes market value.

This would bring hundreds of millions in new revenue that will balance the budget in a way that's fair and equitable.

It's obscene for someone to own a home in excess of $1M and pay about $90 a month in property taxes.


Re: Regressivism. (0.00 / 0)
California's been on this regressive kick for more than 40 years, since Reagan was elected governor, and at this point, a majority of Californians have never known anything but regressivism. They take it as the norm.

So of course the Parsky tax shift to the poor and middle classes from the rich makes "sense" to Californians who believe Reaganite regressivism is the path to the future, when in fact it is the path to the past. They can't imagine a progressive future, and I doubt that many of them have any idea that California once epitomised the progressive future.

Anyone who looks at taxation as punishment -- as we hear all the time from the regressives -- has lost any connection with civil society. They are effectively little more than feudalists and barbarians. Because they see taxation as punishment, rather than the cost of having a decent civil society, they are convinced that only the "losers" should really be taxed -- that is punished -- while the "winners" (they themselves) should be able to help themselves to the revenue that the "losers" are punished to provide, and they shouldn't have to pay taxes in any substantial amount themselves.

As it is, they've pretty much got their wish, so long as they can make money without being paid wages and they can hold property through the generations. Neat trick.

We may be relying too much on the income tax for revenue, but that doesn't mean the flat tax is the answer. We should be saying the income tax needs to be more progressive, not less, and we should be concentrating on developing other revenues that are also progressive.

These times call for bold solutions. The regressives have once again seized the initiative, and they're pushing their ultra regressive solution; as is typical, progressives and Dems are playing defense.

Back in the day, California progressives decided what they wanted the public sector to accomplish and they developed an imperfect but workable taxation system to pay for it. Reaganite regressivism set out to destroy all that. Been pretty successful, I'd say. It's brought us to this point.

I'm dubious, however, that pushing the Parsky plan (whatever it turns out to be) "opens" the discussion for progressive solutions. Progressives have to seize the initiative, not wait for someone to offer them an opening.

 


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