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Yes, Cutting Jobs And Services Does Affect The Economy

by: David Dayen

Tue Jun 23, 2009 at 15:59:46 PM PDT


Dan Walters had a funny column a few days back, excoriating anyone who use "numbers" and "projections" to theorize about the impacts of budget cuts.  As if it's some kind of novel idea that an economy dominated by government spending would rise or fall based on the amount of that spending.  Mr. Walters, 1937 called and wants a word with you.

Anyway, let's look at the heart of Walters' complaint.  First he says that we must have a hefty budget reserve because the economy is likely to go south, and because it will signal to bankers that "we're solvent so they'll buy our short-term notes."  As I noted earlier, this is nonsense given the clear Constitutional duty to repay debt before practically everything else.  Then he says this:

Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty, meanwhile, of emitting self-important nonsense about the impacts of their actions on the state's recession-wracked economy. While Democrats claim that cutting "safety net" programs and/or public payrolls will worsen the recession by taking money out of circulation, Republicans claim that raising taxes will retard recovery by discouraging investment and/or consumer spending.

Both practice voodoo economics. The entire deficit on which they are working, $24.3 billion including Schwarzenegger's desired reserve, is well under 2 percent of the state's economy. The lesser cuts and taxes they are debating would merely shift relatively small amounts of money from one form of spending to another, all within the state's economy, so the macro economic impact would probably be nil, no matter what they do.

That's a strange opinion, especially because in the next sentence, he argued that a budget filled with gimmicks would threaten our economic future, even though such gimmickry would effect the same small amount of cash, from a macroeconomic perspective.  But to his main point - cutting spending for state services, cutting jobs, cutting salaries for public employees and their related vendors, has a multiplier effect that in fact does weaken the prospects for economic recovery.  You don't have to take my word for it.  John Myers ran a story on this just today.

"It's hard to see how the country recovers if California does not," says U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). Lofgren says she thinks congressional authorization of loan guarantees for any state will happen. But no one thinks it'll happen in time for California, which needs to go to market -- assuming a budget deficit deal is agreed to in the state Capitol -- early next month.

Lofgren says she's particularly troubled that the national stimulus and recovery programs... which are expected to benefit California by as much as $80 billion... could be drained of their help by the cuts needed to balance the state budget. "It is contrary to the efforts that we're making," she says.

This is a fact neglected by Walters, the very real possibility that certain spending cuts would result in the forfeiture of stimulus funds as well as regular funding, multiplying the effect of the cuts.  Many of the programs that Schwarzenegger wants to eliminate, like Healthy Families,  CalWorks and Medi-Cal, have their funding matched by the federal government.  Clearly any dollar cut there would mean $2 in practical cuts to Californians.  And losing out on stimulus dollars could number in the tens of billions.

This UCLA Anderson Report also speaks to the impact of state spending on California and the nation at large.

According to UCLA Anderson Forecast senior economist Jerry Nickelsburg, there is nothing happening in California that will help pull the state out of recession in advance of the nation.

"California," Nickelsburg writes, "is in for a continued rough ride for the balance of 2009 and is not going to see economic growth return until the end of the year, shortly after the U.S. economy begins to grow."

The dire conditions surrounding the state budget will contribute to prolonging tough conditions in California, according to the report.

In his essay, Nickelsburg notes that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is attempting to close the state's $24 billion budget gap with a combination of fee increases, forced borrowing from local government, the sale of state assets and, primarily, budget cuts.

Yet that the real risk for California, Nickelsburg writes, is the possibility that there will be no budget agreement at all and that the chaotic and inefficient spending cuts that would likely follow would have an even more severe impact on the ability of California to stem the downturn in economic activity this year.

The rhetoric has risen to the extent where a prolonged stalemate, like every year given our broken governmental structure, is possible.  But clearly, Nickelsburg is demonstrating that state spending does have an impact on the economic picture at large, especially at a time when there's 11.5% unemployment and a growing dependence on state services.

That one of the top political reporters in the state would deny this economic reality is just baffling.

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On stimulus funding (5.00 / 1)
Thank you, that's a point I've been trying to make to anybody who will listen. While it's clear few in Sacramento have even glanced at the stimulus bill, I have. I've read about half of the 407-page bill for a project I've been working on for my business.

And you are exactly right. Much of the education and transit funding to states depends on the states continuing to spend at prior levels.

So, not only do some of the proposed cuts imperil federal matching funds that are as much as $9 for every $1 the state spends. But we risk losing access to stimulus funding that has been factored into budget calculations.

When we don't get it because of the budget-slashing mentality in Sacramento (and the obvious fact that none of these people read bills they're counting on for money, or investigate any of their boneheaded ideas), we will be in a far bigger hole than $24.3 billion.

This is popularly known as cutting off your nose to spite your face. Only, in this case, it's our nose they're cutting off.

I hope Grover Norquist is pleased. Because I don't think Californians will be.


Let's compare (0.00 / 0)
So you say:

"But clearly, Nickelsburg is demonstrating that state spending does have an impact on the economic picture at large..."

Well yes, no one will dispute that it has an impact.  The real question, though, is whether it will have a positive or negative impact.  That question cannot be simply answered by pointing to 1937 nor by by simply pointing out the multiplier effect of state services (there is an opposite negative multiplier effect of equally uncertain size because of the liquidity lost by taxed entities). Regardless, here's what your Anderson school press release actually said:

"...is the possibility that there will be no budget agreement at all and that the chaotic and inefficient spending cuts that would likely follow would have an even more severe impact on the ability of California to stem the downturn..."

I'm pretty sure he's saying that the mess resulting from not having a budget is the worst possible outcome.  A result made more likely by hysterical posturing of people like those found on this blog.  


uh (0.00 / 0)
actually, Walters did in fact dispute, very plainly in the Sacramento Bee, that the numbers dealt with in the deficit have anything more than a negligible impact.  Setting aside the plain fact that to the people whose lives are affected by budget cuts or loss of vital services, "negligible" is the furthest word from their minds, I was pointing out - with more than just the Anderson study, by the way, but with fairly lucid statements about day-to-day economics and the fact that government in California is clearly the biggest purchaser right now, with the crash of things that generate economic activity like jobs and consumer spending - that Walters discounts the impact of state budget cuts on economic recovery at his peril.  And so do you, I would add.  In addition, I didn't hide from the Anderson study's conclusion whatsoever, you're acting like I dishonestly discounted it.  Your m.o. is clearly to call me and my fellow writers "hysterical" and thusly marginalize the analysis, but "pointing out 1937" or "pointing out multiplier effects" are not whims pulled from thin air, they are based on pretty sound liberal economic theories which have been tested over time in a variety of situations.

Also, who are you calling "taxed entities"?  Those oil producers who are forced to account for the externalities that they produce?  The wealthiest corporations in America, all of whom where drawing profits well before California decided to give them $2.5 billion a year in annual tax breaks resulting from them allowing themselves to choose how their taxed?  Just looking for where your sympathies lie, since I'm so "hysterical" for thinking that letting AIDS patients and poor people die might not reflect an entirely moral policy in addition to an economic one.

And if you think I have any impact over the debate in Sacramento, boy, thanks for the credit, but you're fairly mistaken.


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A couple of things (0.00 / 0)
1) I don't want to talk about Dan Walters because I don't think the "what did he really mean" game is all that interesting.  So let's get that out of the way.

2) My sympathies btw lie with California and the good of it's people.  By taxed entities I just mean things that are getting taxed: people, corporations (in your lexicon the devil incarnate), etc.  So for instance, taxing wealthy corporations may help to provide for social services that benefit all Californians and work to make California a more just society, but as a result, those corporations will likely be less willing to hire more employees and/or expand, hurting California's economy and the well being of its people.  The question of what is the just action is a tricky one.  And I don't think that it can be answered (perhaps at all) quickly or with leftist rhetorical appeals.

3) "And if you think I have any impact over the debate in Sacramento, boy, thanks for the credit, but you're fairly mistaken."

I just meant that your guys' brand of hyperpartisan ideology seems to be the same sort of thing that's contributing to Sacramento's dysfunction.  I'm an optimist and think that you guys could do better.  For instance, your point about matching federal funds is a good one.  There are a bunch of federal programs that are tied to our spending (particularly in health and welfare).  A lot of that is related to the stimulus.  That was a very good point that I don't think the legislature is considering as much as it should be when it's making these cuts.  

But then you go on and make these ridiculous rhetorical appeals.  For instance:

"I'm so "hysterical" for thinking that letting AIDS patients and poor people die might not reflect an entirely moral policy in addition to an economic one."

Your absolutely right that there are profound moral issues associated with these situations.  But they're not as clear cutting as you make them out to be, which is the same problem as your characterization of the economic impact of the budget deficit.  Why is it moral for the state to forcibly take some of its citizens money, which they earned (and thus in a partial moral sense deserve), and give it to needy individuals?  We do not say that a person who does not help a drowning individual is necessarily being unjust.  Clearly that would be a good action, but is it right for us to compel them?  


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You're a libertarian, aren't you? (0.00 / 0)
You don't have to stay that way.

By taxed entities I just mean things that are getting taxed: people, corporations (in your lexicon the devil incarnate), etc.

No, not the devil: deadbeat free riders who aren't paying their share and haven't for a long time.

Why is it moral for the state to forcibly take some of its citizens money, which they earned (and thus in a partial moral sense deserve), and give it to needy individuals?

Taxes are the admission fee for living in a civilized society, and it's moral to pay for the civilization you're using. Is it moral to sneak into a movie without paying? No it is not, it is stealing.

If you object so much to paying taxes, I recommend you move to Somalia, where you can have exactly as much security, justice and civilization that you pay for yourself. But if you want to live in California, don't be a deadbeat, pay your share.


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No not really (0.00 / 0)
Though I do love freedom (http://www.amazon.com/Development-as-Freedom-Amartya-Sen/dp/0385720270).  Libertarianism, though, as a political philosophy doesn't really work (http://books.google.com/books?id=R-8SvHlNMXAC&pg=PA286&dq=nozick+the+zigzag+of+politics&client=firefox-a).  So I'd say I'm in favor of smart policies working within the liberal (small l) state framework. If we must deal in the current swamp of political caricatures, I'd say I'm socially liberal and fiscally moderate: that old Rockefeller Republican or progressive (TR type) brand before lefties co-opted the term for a softer way to frame Liberalism.

Anyway, back to the debate.  You say:

"Taxes are the admission fee for living in a civilized society, and it's moral to pay for the civilization you're using."

Of course.  But what's the price of admission and what movie should be playing?  


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asdf (5.00 / 1)
"your guys' brand of hyperpartisan ideology seems to be the same sort of thing that's contributing to Sacramento's dysfunction."

I disagree.  What is contributing, what has always contributed, to Sacramento's dysfunction is a flat-out broken process where a small, unrepresentative band of 1/3 of the legislature can simply hijack the process.  They've been emboldened, in my view, by a weak Democratic leadership.  But focusing on "hyperpartisanship" or really any other element of this denies the basic breakdown in the structure of government.  It simply does not and has not worked, and serves to cement a status quo ante that slowly but gradually breaks away the foundation of government's mission to provide various services, equality of opportunity, etc., for its people.  I don't think pointing that out is hyperpartisan; maybe because such a point of view has been absent from the state's political debate for so long, you do.

Also, this post was about Dan Walters and his insistence that this debate over the budget has no impact on the economy, which I believe is demonstrably untrue.  If you don't like that issue, don't write a comment to the thread.  But that was my point with this post, and I'm not sure you've done anything to debunk it, to the extent that you no longer want to talk about it.


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also (0.00 / 0)
that same Anderson Forecast predicts 64,000 government jobs lost from this round of budget cuts.  Please join Dan Walters in telling me how miniscule an impact that would have.

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