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Get Your Bananas

by: David Dayen

Mon May 25, 2009 at 09:36:18 AM PDT


Paul Krugman actually understands the nature of the crisis here in California, and he writes about it today.

Despite the economic slump, despite irresponsible policies that have doubled the state's debt burden since Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor, California has immense human and financial resources. It should not be in fiscal crisis; it should not be on the verge of cutting essential public services and denying health coverage to almost a million children. But it is - and you have to wonder if California's political paralysis foreshadows the future of the nation as a whole.

It's a key point.  Without the insanity of Prop. 13, making revenue so unstable and volatile from year to year, and completely inequitable, locking in older homeowners while increasing the tax burden on younger ones, the crisis would be as manageable as other states.  Without the Trojan horse of the 2/3 rule for taxation snuck in through Prop. 13, the tax structure would not become the hideous, mangled beast we see today, where the effective tax rate is higher for the lowest-income Californians than for those with the highest income.  And without the growing extremism of the Yacht Party, where anyone who breaks Grover Norquist's pledge draws an effort to drum them out of the party, perhaps Sacramento would be populated with public servants who want to fix the problem instead of break it.

Krugman's point is to sound a warning bell for the nation at large, to view the problems of obstruction and dysfunction at the state level with a wider lens.  He explains that Republicans have "been driven mad by lack of power," with the extremist rump faction predominant.  But even then, he gets that California's problems are unique.

So will America follow California into ungovernability? Well, California has some special weaknesses that aren't shared by the federal government. In particular, tax increases at the federal level don't require a two-thirds majority, and can in some cases bypass the filibuster. So acting responsibly should be easier in Washington than in Sacramento.

But the California precedent still has me rattled. Who would have thought that America's largest state, a state whose economy is larger than that of all but a few nations, could so easily become a banana republic?

It's a sad commentary, when the finest liberal columnist in America basically reassures his readers that no government could possibly be as ridiculously constructed as California's.

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Get Your Bananas | 12 comments
It's even sadder that you'd never know California (8.00 / 1)
was in banana republic territory by listening to our Democratic leaders, who continue to act like the system is functioning acceptably.  

The state will run out of money by mid-July.  Why are continuing to pound their heads against the wall trying the same 'bipartisan' approach that didn't yield any results last time around.  

If I'd have to guess, I'd say that Bass and Steinberg will end up pushing on the caucus a "deal" which closes the gap with Cuts (80%), Property Tax "Forced Borrowing" from Local Governments (15%), token revenue increases (5%).

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Not meaning to be fatalistic - we have a say (8.00 / 1)
I think Democratic leaders will push this crap on the legislature as the 'solution' UNLESS there's a sh*tstorm from people that puts them in a situation where caucus members are saying they won't go for it.  

With the state reaching insolvency in less than 8 weeks, there's only a small amount of time to get the pressure on Democrats to get real, and escape from the Republican/Grover Norquist frame.  

Lots of folks know about the evils of the 2/3 rule these days - if every one of them got on their Dem legislators to demand leadership pass a responsible budget using the power it has at its disposal (majority vote fee increases), then I think this dynamic can change.  

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Perceived self-interest (5.00 / 1)
Politicians, especially term-limited ones who are looking for their next job as soon as they are elected, will do whatever they think is in their self-interest.  This is depressing in a way, but also useful, because it's so predictable.

The late and unlamented propositions were really the result of fear -- not fear for the state, but the fear legislators experienced when they saw polls showing their approval dropping toward the single digits, and saw people blaming them for inaction and gridlock in Sacramento.  As Dr. Johnson said, the prospect of a hanging concentrates the mind wonderfully.  And they became committed to making a deal, any deal, so they could tell voters all was well.  Waving a "bipartisan" "compromise" in the public's face became more important than what the "compromise" contained.

Although the props were defeated, the underlying dynamic of perceived self-interest has not changed, and will not change.  Thus the key is showing legislators that their reelections and future careers depend more on passing responsible and progressive legislation, than on fitting in with the mindset created by the 2/3 rules, even if being responsible means taxing and offending the rich and powerful.  But if they remain more afraid of the rich than they are of a progressive voter base, we can only expect more of the same.


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As usual the folks here are behing the curve... (2.00 / 1)
...while it is true that the 2/3s requirement must go so that needed changes can be made why it must go is never really discussed.

And while it is true that some property owners are getting a break on Prop 13 they are not that numerous and the break not as important as this:

U.S. Corporations in 2004 paid 11.4% of all taxes collected. Yep, only a little over 10%. Many pay zero taxes. Do you think things have become more equitable since then?

I don't.

And let's not forget the other side of the equation. Who uses more state services. Granma and Grandpa in their 1960s rancher or Standard Oil's facility at Richmond?

What do you think?

Corporate Slave State America is riveting the collars around your necks as we bloviate about the nasty old folks who get a pass on property taxes. Is that right?

I really don't think so.

I really think there is plenty of tax revenue out there....

...if the people realized what is really going on.  


Actually, I see a lot more sentiment here for (0.00 / 0)
splitting the property tax roll -- which is achievable -- than I do for trying to roll back Prop 13's property tax semi-freeze entirely, which even if justifiable probably isn't.

In any event, the story addressed the poisoned nougat inside the Prop 13 poisoned candy, which while out of sight does the most damage, that being the 2/3 requirement for all tax increases.


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prop 13 is just more complex than that (0.00 / 0)
You really can't just roll back the property tax thing.  Look, I purchased a house in 1996.  Its value ballooned fantastically during the bubble, and is only now probably returning to its original 1996 value.  Should I have paid something like 5x my property taxes on a "gain" I only had on paper for several years?  No.

Clearly, many elements of Prop 13 need to be rolled back, but equally clearly, the issue of residential property taxes is a real one, and not just a greedy grab back by dem rich folks.  It is precisely because I am not rich that I can't see any fairness on taxing me on money I only ever had on paper, temporarily at that.


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and yet your neighbors pay that tax,fair or not (8.00 / 1)
perhaps one way to make it more fair is to tax back all those property taxes people didn't pay over the years when they sell their house for massive increase in asset equity. after all, prop 13 was to keep the little old ladies ion their houses, not enable them to use the house as a tax-free speculatory investment.

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sure (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, if I sold my house in 2005 and had the actual money,  fair to tax me that then.

As for the newer neighbors, that's the price they chose to pay for their house.  I chose to pay $230; they chose to pay $900.  No one twisted their arms.

If you wanna talk about how that's made it very difficult for first time or young buyers, I agree. But that's a function of the housing price bubble, not the property tax.


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it magnifies the problem for young first time buyers (5.00 / 1)
it heaps one thing upon the other. unless, of course, you inherit the house and pay your parents' tax rates.  

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Splitting the tax rolls (0.00 / 0)
refers to applying this change to commercial (at least under some circumstances) and not to residential property.  Beyond that, wu ming is right -- your neighbors, if they have been reassessed, have been paying these taxes.

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Should we eliminate capital gains? (5.00 / 1)
The gain is very real, even if only on paper.

Further, had Prop 13 not been in place, it's unlike the spike in real estate values would have been quite that high.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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yeah righ (0.00 / 0)
How is it real?  I got none of that money, used none of it, didn't even take out credit lines based on it.  Zip.  Nada.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer having the house to the money.  But it drives me bats that people assume I somehow benefited from these price spikes on my house.


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