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The Backstop Is Not A Bailout

by: David Dayen

Thu May 21, 2009 at 09:30:47 AM PDT


I heard a bunch of California Republicans yesterday talking about the effort to get the US Treasury to backstop state borrowing as a "bailout," and the media has fallen for it, using phrases like "California is too big to fail" and other snickering.

This is ridiculous.

Let me explain this fairly clearly.  California will need to borrow billions of dollars to cover their cash flow issues, the same way they do every year.  Traditionally, the money comes in at different times then the money goes out, necessitating short-term borrowing.  Because of the state's miserable credit rating, the interest rates that investors charge for this borrowing are ridiculously high.  Usually, banks guarantee those loans, but this year they are balking because of the severity of the state's fiscal picture.  So the state has asked the Treasury to step in and guarantee the loans instead.

This would cost the Treasury Department approximately $0.00 dollars to perform.  Providing loan guarantees simply means that you are insuring against default, which has never happened in the history of California.  Not through the Depression or at any other time.  What this would do is stop Wall Street from gouging the state with abnormally high interest rates, pure and simple.

Here are the words of an idiot:

Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Redlands) predicted little sympathy for the Golden State on Capitol Hill. "I have the feeling that it's going to be a long time before Washington decides that they're going to ask Kansas or Wisconsin to help with California's funding problem," he said.

Nobody would be helping anybody.  The federal government would guarantee loans that California would pay back.  This is about lowering interest rates to make the price of short-term borrowing lower.

I understand that President Ford rejected these types of loan guarantees for New York City in the 1970s.  But later he approved them.  By the way, after that so-called "bailout," every single dollar was repaid by the city of New York.  How on earth could this be characterized as a bailout?  

The Ford Administration, under the direction of Treasury Secretary William Simon, imposed certain conditions on the loan guarantees (which will actually delivered directly by Treasury, so this is somewhat different).  That could also happen here, and the Shock Doctrine possibilities are not pleasing.  Still and all, this savings (which would only represent about $1 billion dollars in all, 1/20 of the current deficit) would not cost the federal government one red cent and thus shouldn't be used to cram down California in a punitive way.  The possibility exists, but it's worth the risk.

UPDATE: Presumably because reporters still don't understand this, Tim Geithner gave an answer today to a question no state was really asking which is being spun as the end of this option, when he plainly states its possibility.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the U.S.'s $700 billion financial rescue package can't be used to aid cities and states facing budget crises.

The law "does not appear to us to provide a viable way of responding to that challenge," Geithner told a House Appropriations subcommittee in Washington today. Among the hurdles: Money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program is reserved for financial companies, he said.

The Treasury chief said he will work with Congress to help states such as California that have been battered by the credit crunch and are struggling to arrange backing for municipal bonds and short-term debt.

He added that cities and states need to "get deficits down" to aid their credit worthiness, but absolutely did not take the option off the table.

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The LA Times "approved" article (0.00 / 0)
The byline in the article linked above says that "the Golden State's financial mess is another matter" compared to New York in 1975.  But Robin Abcarian never explains how it's different.  Would love to hear the differences between the two.  Thanks.

NYC was worse (0.00 / 0)
I think their deficit was something like 60% of their operating budget.  That's not the case with us right now.

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Why Does Jerry Lewis Hate California? (0.00 / 0)


The sad thing is (0.00 / 0)
I can totally see Obama agreeing with Issa's point and not wanting to give anything seen as a bailout to CA for fear of offending the Midwestern states he wants to keep in his column in 2012.

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I disagree (0.00 / 0)
Obama -- and the national Democratic Party -- need a strong state Democratic Party in California, which in turn depends on our avoiding a cratering state economy.  We don't want California to be the example of how "government doesn't work"; we don't want Californians to be unable to fund nationwide political activities.

If push comes to shove, Obama can lose Indiana and Ohio and still win.  They won't be that offended anyway; he can easily paint this as what it is -- a state deadlock cause by bad state laws that threatens national agriculutre and the sorts of industrial advantages that can help pull the whole nation out of the quicksand -- and not that California has long put much more into the national Treasury than it receives and no doubt will do so again once it has recovered.

I expect that I'd drop dead from surprise if we heard "Drop Dead" from Obama.


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Free guarantees (0.00 / 0)
And the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guarantees were free too!


Federal guarantees are not "no cost" to the Federal Government (0.00 / 0)
"Still and all, this savings (which would only represent about $1 billion dollars in all, 1/20 of the current deficit) would not cost the federal government one red cent and thus shouldn't be used to cram down California in a punitive way."

This is a particularly naive way of looking at the situation.  Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.  There is a non-zero probability that California will default in the future.  As such, the federal backstop to guarantee any CA debt does have a cost, when both possible outcomes (CA default and CA non-default) are considered.  The exact number associated with that cost is debatable and varies primarily based upon your personal assessment of the likelihood of a California bankruptcy.  

Asking the feds to guarantee our debt is wildly unfair to states that have lived within their means and don't need subsidized interest rates.  

As a California resident, I will personally write to my federal representatives asking them to NOT backstop any California debt.  At some point, we must spend only current income.


Nice wingnuttery (5.00 / 1)
I think you need to go watch the Noreen Evans video to see that California has lived within its means - too much so, considering we have much lower tax rates for the wealthy and for corporations than we did in the early 1990s.

I am not familiar with a single state that has not had a budget deficit as a result of this recession.

Sure, you can just spend current income, and you'll ensure the economy never recovers. But then I suspect that's the overall goal of movement conservatives anyway. A population struggling for its daily bread isn't going to be able to effectively organize against your efforts to reverse the outcome of the 2008 election.

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Current Tax Rates - CA is highest or very near the top (1.00 / 1)
I will take your advice and check out the video, as I have not seen it yet.  However, you must concede that California currently taxes incomes of the wealthiest at the highest rate of all 50 states, save for Hawaii.  It is possible that many truly wealthy Californians find ways to shield income from the 10.55% tax rate, but if that's the case then raising the rate will only increase the incentive to restructure income streams to further shield income from CA tax.

With the recent increase, our top marginal income tax rate is 10.55%.  Hawaii does have an 11% bracket, making us #2 in this metric.  Source data:  http://www.taxfoundation.org/t...

I think one of the reasons the props all failed miserably is that centrist voters like me ask "why doesn't this add up?"  I'm socially liberal but becomming more conservative fiscally by the day.  If California has the highest income tax rates, along with the highest sales tax rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
then I think it's fair to ask the question:

1. We are already very heavily taxed relative to our peer group (other states).  What are we getting in return for this higher level of taxation?

Most voters are now agreeing that we are not getting a good return on our tax investments and have chosen to reduce state spending.

Clearly, any attempt by the state to raise taxes is a non-started with the general public.  


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OK some thoughts (5.00 / 1)
because you're at least pretending to play the "moderate" card.

1)  No Oil Extraction Tax
2)  Artificially low property taxes (especially w/r/t commercial property) thanks to Prop 13
3)  Artificially low VLF (had we not kept that "low" and had to backfill the cities and counties, we would not have a deficit at all right now)
4)  Way too much spending on prisons (Three-Strikes Law)
5)  Too much bond interest because we borrow our way out of our problems because we can't raise taxes (also, we owe on the bonds sold to pay off Enron after we recalled Gray Davis even though he was 100% right about Enron deliberately manipulating the market, and moving money from California straight to Texas).
6)  20% of our federal taxes are (relative to our state budget) a dead weight loss because they go to subsidize a lot of those low-tax states.
7)  High cost of living because of the high cost of property.

The state budget's actual growth in the last ten years has been just 2.2% over CPI + Population Growth -- so 0.2% per year.  Note that CPI + raw population growth doesn't even fully address the spiking property values which makes living here so expensive, nor anything having to do with the actual makeup of that population --  more elderly means more health care needs, more children means more education needs, etc.

You could fire every single state employee, every single one, and make up the deficit. And you could do that once.    


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Reply to jsw (0.00 / 0)
I think your raise some good points.  If the leaders in Sacramento are serious about needing more revenue they are going to need to do two things.  First, find places were one might logically argue that Californians are undertaxed relative to our peer groups.  Since we are #1 or #2 in sales and income taxes, the idea of raising either of those will go over like a lead baloon.

You raise some other taxes that I don't know much about, such as the Oil Extraction Tax.  It seems reasonable that we should be able to charge whatever rate Texas or Alaska or Oklahoma might charge for that.  

Property taxes are kept well below assessed value, but that's a double edged sword.  In this downturn, because of Prop 13, property tax revenues will fall only slightly, probably 1-2% year-over-year, vs. other tax revenues plunging by double digit percentages.  So, on the one hand, one might argue that property taxes should be set to 1% of current values each year (like many states do).  However, one must also be prepared for this to exacerbate the downturns because property devaluations will hit year-over-year tax results much harder.

Despite Prop13, California still ranked 28th per capital in property tax receipts.  So we are in the middle of the pack there already.  It's not really a fair statement to blame CA tax woes on Prop13.  http://www.taxfoundation.org/r...

With regards to the VLF, it is clearly lower than in the past.  I believe it was 2% of assessed value, then down to 0.6%, and now reverting to about 1.1%.  My question would be: how does that compare to the other 49 states?  

Reasonable people are generally supportive of a specific tax when they can see clear benefit, such as Measure M in OC that extends a sales tax to fund transit.  The problem with the State of California is that it's hard to tangibly see the benefits the state provides -- so increased taxes will be a very hard sell.  

This is probably especially true now that most private sector workers fund their own retirement vs. state workers getting large defined benefit payouts.  This is going to be the next great financial issue of our times to deal with (I predict).


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I think the problem is (5.00 / 1)
"The benefits the state provides" are transparent to people:

Clean Air
Clean Water
Courts
Sewage Systems
Universities
Jails
Parks
Roads
Schools
Libraries
Social Net (i.e., negotiating floor for private wages)

This is probably especially true now that most private sector workers fund their own retirement vs. state workers getting large defined benefit payouts.  This is going to be the next great financial issue of our times to deal with (I predict).

Yeah, though probably not in the way that you think.  The great risk shift from defined benefit to defined contribution basically just screwed over a lot of people close to retirement age.  So a lot of us will see what it means for everyone to have to be individually responsible for getting the investment mix right.

As far as the inequity you imply, the reason that state workers get "large" defined benefit payouts is because they're unionized and they negotiated for them.  I will say it again:   I never understand why people can't look at the unionization of government employment, which protects the pay and benefits of actual working people and think "how can we get more of that in the private sector again".  Instead, they just think "damn unions, stealing my money".  Imagine what happened if the massive wealth transfer away from working people to large scale investors over the last 30 years hadn't happened -- if working people had been able to retain more of the productivity increase either as present or deferred income, instead of hoping that they could piggyback on the investor class with their 401k investments.  


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Cutting benefits (0.00 / 0)
...for public employees just makes it that much easier for private sector employers to screw their employees over when their time comes.  One way or another, we're all in this together.  We should be moving toward security and stability for all, not toward insecurity and instability for all.

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Benefits vs. Costs (0.00 / 0)
I think that problem the electorate is having is not with benefits such as "Clean Air" and "Clean Water".  These are primarily obtained by legislation and nominal enforcement costs.  

The problem is with items like Jails, Roads, Schools, and Libraries.  Californians are saying, "we pay the highest sales and income taxes (2nd to HI), and average property taxes (28th per capita), and yet we have substandard schools (near the bottom), very crowded highways, overcrowded jails that don't meet even Federal health requirements, and minimal libraries."  So the question for voters will remain the following:

Why are we the most taxed yet receiving inferior services?

When a restaurant, for example, charges the most for crappy food or service, it promptly goes out of business so that a more efficient operation can provide that service.  California is not subject to competition for any services it provides, and therefore may be subject to inefficiencies.

In another post on this site, I believe one blogger commented that California has fewer public employees, per capita, than most if not all other states.  If inefficiency is not being driven by the number of public employees, then either those employees are overpaid relative to market price or non-employee costs are way out of line.

I believe that voters will not approve any additional spending because they don't trust that the state is getting its money's worth on that spend.  That's a core problem of trust that our leaders our going to have to tackle.


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The fact is that we are not taxed enough (8.00 / 1)
And that is why we are receiving inferior services.

You can either have a fact-based discussion, or you can come at this from a conservative perspective and fit the facts to your analysis. By the measures we have shown you, the claim that "we are the most taxed" is simply not true, but you repeat it nevertheless.

First, we have had a structural revenue shortfall since about 1978. That means we are unable to generate enough money to keep the existing level of services around. This is in turn because of a series of decisions to cut the taxes on the wealthy and on corporations. Wealthy individuals and large corporations pay a much smaller overall amount of their assets and income to the state today than they did 30 years ago.

Prop 13 plays a significant role here too. It ensured that the state did not see revenue gains from the two major housing asset bubbles that took place since 1978 - the bubble that burst in 1989-90, and the bubble that burst in 2006-7. That money could have funded long-term investments, freeing more revenue to service ongoing obligations. This is particularly significant because real estate is a primary source of wealth in America.

Second, California sees a lot of its tax revenue siphoned off by other states. Since 1978 California has become a kind of colony of the rest of America - we're a donor state not just in terms of taxes, but also in terms of politics. We donate our money and our volunteers to other states but neglect the home front, as was shown in 2008.

Third, comparisons to other states are not totally sound because few American states actually levy enough taxes. Most states are low-tax states and rely on the federal government to help support their existing services. Even if California were by objective measures the undisputed champion of taxing its residents, that wouldn't necessarily mean we had an adequate or sensible level of taxation out there.

All of the above means that we generate taxes, but it's never enough to keep up with the needs of one of the globe's largest economies.

I'm doubtful you'll be swayed by any of this because you are basing your arguments on ideology and not on evidence. You imply that a lack of competition may lead to inefficiencies, but even Arnold's own "find the waste" study was unable to actually show waste exists.

You also repeat the notion that employees are "overpaid" even though we've challenged that claim. Especially in this recession, which is being driven by a solvency crisis taking place in California households, overpaying employees is precisely the right economic strategy and it should be applied across the board wherever possible.

If you want to have a discussion of the facts I'm happy to do so. But if you want to wrap your "facts" inside your conservative ideology, then I don't know what else there is to discuss with you.

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Risk Shift (0.00 / 0)
The risk shift concept is excellent.  Private companies have moved retirement risks from their books to either the government (PBGC) or to the employee.  Public-sector workers continue to have no risk in retirement with lavish pensions often equalling 70-100% of final year pay.

The general public is unlikely to stand for this situation continuing.  If Joe Q Public has to, for the most part, save diligently over the years to fund his retirement (beyond social security payments), then he will be outraged that Jane P CalStateWorker gets 80% of her final year pay for life after working for 35 years.  That's a huge liability for all of us (taxpayers).  Taxpayers should not have to take on this risk.  It should be shifted to the individual, just as it is in the private sector.  

This is a philosophical position, so I would not expect to change many minds (sort of like abortion).  

However, I do expect that because the majority of non-gov employees have to bear their own risk for retirement, they will soon demand same from gov employees.  Our gov't is supposed to serve us, the people.  Those in gov't should be subjected to the same risk/reward structure as those not in gov't.

If taking away pensions makes it impossible to fill gov't jobs, then increase the present salary offered until we have a market-clearing price.  Do not force taxpayers to bear difficult-to-value future risks (who knows how long a 30 year old teacher might live?) so that gov't employees need not worry about saving for retirement.


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That's inconsistent (0.00 / 0)
If you believe the risk shift is a problem (maybe you don't) then why would you pursue policies that exacerbate it?

Further, why is the solution to the woes faced by the private sector an effort to pull down those in the public sector? It's like saying "I'm starving - how dare you be well-fed! You should starve just like me!" when in fact the rational answer is "You're well-fed - how dare I starve! I should be well-fed just like you."

I would be very interested to see how you can see any economic growth whatsoever coming out of a race to the bottom. I do not see companies flocking to Mississippi. Do you?

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Actually, I'm not inconsistent (0.00 / 0)
I didn't say risk shift was a problem.  I said it was an excellent concept.

I an pursuing policies that move the risk to the individual, because I don't believe that taxpayers should be on the hook for that risk.  When you are running any organization, one of the worst things you can do is engage in behavior that creates extensive liabilities in the future.  It's human nature to understate those liabilities, and thus be subject to significant cost down the line.

Again, I'm not necessarily arguing that public sector employess should be compensated more or less -- just that their compensation should consist solely of current obligations that are cleared every two weeks, just as is the case for most working Californians.  If current salaries are not high enough in the public sector to entice people to fill those jobs (without a pension), then raise the salary to the market clearning price.

This would seem to be the most logical way to remove risk of future payment shock for all of us (taxpayers) who are ultimately liable.


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So, you ARE in favor of the risk shift (0.00 / 0)
And if people starve in old age, that's really tough noogies.  Public employee unions should be prohibited from bargaining for defined benefit pensions -- never mind that they would then bargain for increased present salaries to compensate, and the anti-tax, anti-worker crowd would howl about that.

Also, we should eliminate Social Security, since that is a future defined payment pension run by the government.

The reality is that people don't save.  They can't save in many cases, and in those cases where they do, subjecting ordinary people to the vagaries of the investment market for their retirement is a recipe for disaster.  Or had you not noticed the older people who have been laid off just at the time that their investments (such as they may have had) tanked.


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Average CalPERS pension is $23,808 per year. (5.00 / 1)
Your reference to "lavish pensions often equalling 70-100% of final year pay" is completely divorced from reality.

Data from the CalPERS website:  Average monthly pension for a CalPERS retiree is $1,985 - about $23,808 per year.  Approximately 78 percent of CalPERS retirees receive annual benefits of $36,000 or less.  (Is this your definition of "lavish"?)

Yes, there is a tiny group of people who make more.  Exceptionally well-paid employees who work an extremely long time -- 30 years or more -- may receive larger pensions, some as much as $100,000 or more.  But these are about 1 percent of the 476,000 CalPERS retirees -- typically the highest-paid senior executives of cities, counties, police and fire departments, state universities, and physicians.  

It is grossly unfair to claim that public employees of having "lavish" retirements, when 78% receive $36,000 or less, and only 1 percent are in the stratosphere.

See:  http://www.calpers.ca.gov/inde...


[ Parent ]
The whole "pensions are too high" stuff (8.00 / 1)
Is code for "we should impoverish the elderly."

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you'd be amazed how much of that i'm hearing (6.00 / 2)
by ostensible progressives in davis of late. nearly all by old x'er or boomer homeowners with kids out of public schools, natch.

i remain convinced that the CA GOP's future ultimately lies in socially liberal selfish old white post-retirement boomer homeowners.  that or a schism in the democratic party down the line that makes us into a 3 party state. ugh.

another reason to fix the budgetary process/constitution ASAP.


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Heh (0.00 / 0)
After a while it doesn't amaze me anymore. I actually come to expect it.

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As a quick follow up (0.00 / 0)
Despite Prop13, California still ranked 28th per capita in property tax receipts.  So we are in the middle of the pack there already.  It's not really a fair statement to blame CA tax woes on Prop 13.

And how does that compare to actual property values, which have a profound effect on actual cost of living (e.g., how much it costs to provide services, the value of housing allowances, the cost of land acquisition for buildings, a fair wage for employees)?  Are you suggesting that California has the 28th most expensive real estate in the country?  Really?  One suspects not.


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Property and such (0.00 / 0)
I would assume that property values are 2-3x higher in California than the US Average.  The SFR median is in that range.  I believe the reference to 28th was that California takes in about the same as the US average, per person, from property taxes.  I'm not suggesting anything about the value of CA real estate relative to other places, just that the tax on it is raising about the same revenue $$ per head as in other places.



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Yeah, that's incoherent (0.00 / 0)
If property values are 2-3x higher, that would suggest that property tax per capita should also be high, no?  Or is it that California has 2-3x more people per piece of taxable property?  I doubt that.  See, when property values are that much higher, costs are that much higher, so a per capita collections rate in the middle means that property is undertaxed.  Which is why the other, volatile, taxes are relatively high -- they're having to make up for the nice stable revenue that is property tax.

Really, this is just arithmetic.


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Actually, it's not incoherent at all (0.00 / 0)
Property tax per capita would only be 2-3x as high if the property tax rate was the same.  Because valuations on the same type of properties are higher in CA, the tax rate should always be much lower -- generating about the same tax dollars per capita.  There is no reason the state should take 2-3x the dollars from someone just because his modest 1,500 sq. ft. home in Irvine costs $500,000k vs. the same structure costing $200,000k in Atlanta.

Yes, I get the point that costs are increased in CA due to the higher cost of property.  However, higher land and other real estate costs are just a fraction of the cost of "doing business" for the state.  As a result, it does not logically follow that the tax rate in CA should be the same as other states.  Let me illustrate with a quick financial example.

Since schools and property taxes are often tied together, let's look at the impact of higher land values (and thus real estate costs) on a the cost of running a school:

From this website that's pro-LAUSD: http://www.lastudentscount.org...
I'm seeing that Salaries and Expenses are 79% of total costs.  Operating Expenses, which probably includes occupancy, utilities, R&M, and any other non-capitalized expenses is 11%.  CapEx is just 1%.  So, even if most of the  OpEx and all the CapEx is related to occupancy, that's just 10% of total costs.

So if LAUSD's real estate costs are 2x, say Atlanta USD's, then their total cost to operate is uplifed by about 10%.  Now it's probably also a fair argument that a salary might be 10-15% higher in CA than say Atlanta -- so your overall hit due to being in CA is about 25%.  

So taxing property at the same rate in CA is not necessary to cover the same costs.  Your costs of running the state don't escalate at nearly the same rate as property values.  I'm sure this is one of the reasons that Prop13 has stuck around, basically unchanged, for so many years.  People like the surety of the 1% tax rate.  

If you were to pitch any type of change to Prop13, the easiest would probably be to allow for a faster year-over-year inflator, such as 3%.  Second, you might be able to push through mark to market valuation on commercial real estate since most people won't recognize this is a hidden sales tax.


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TR'd (0.00 / 0)
For repeating overused and consistently debunked lies re: tax rates.  You're welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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Will you also write to your (0.00 / 0)
federal representatives and demand your money back from all of the low-tax states that are subsidized by California's federal tax dollars?

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I know you stay up at night dreaming of California bankruptcy (0.00 / 0)
but it's never once happened, not in the history of the state, not on even one loan, no matter how big or how small, not during the great Depression or any of the Depressions of the 1870s and 1890s, never.  So the "exact number associated with that cost" ought to take in a little something called historical precedent, which would clearly show ZERO-zip, zero, zilch, null set-probability of default.

Drown-the-government right-wing policies which you champion are fiercely trying to raise that probability, but it will never happen, just as it never has before.


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chew this over (0.00 / 0)
If the fact that a government had never before defaulted were in fact a reliable indication that it enjoyed a "ZERO-zip, zero, zilch, null set-probability of default", there would be no such thing as a government default, since they all start out virgin. And yet.

Disclosure: I'm awesome.

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But that's not what the market is saying (0.00 / 0)
The problem with assuming CA has a 0% probabilty of default is that it's not a belief held by people with money.  The US gov't has never defaulted and it is widely believed that it will not.  As a result, the interest rate paid on US Treasury bonds is often call the risk-free rate in finance.  Because investors will not buy California bonds unless there is a interest premium above the risk-free rate, they collectively (and probably individually) believe there is some non-zero chance that they will not get their money back.  

So you and I can have a spirited intellectual discussion about the probability of a future CA default, but the real world is assigning some chance of that happening.  

I would again point out that past performance is not 100% correlated with future performance.  Our world is full of singularities that "no one saw coming".  


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