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California Bailout Talk Ramps Up

by: Robert Cruickshank

Tue May 19, 2009 at 15:00:00 PM PDT


As we prepare for the inevitable yet welcome defeat of at least 5 of the 6 propositions on today's ballot (come on No on 1F!) talk is growing of federal aid for California's budget mess. Of course, had the US Senate not gutted the state stabilization funds in the stimulus bill we might not be in this mess, but hey, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter had to be appeased! Ezra Klein, himself an Orange County native, offered his take on a "bailout":

As a Californian, I find this argument comforting. But as a Californian, I find the need for this argument extremely troubling.

California, which like many other state and local governments is still experiencing extreme budget problems, has an economy larger than all but about 10 countries. Even without the actions that the federal government has already taken to provide corporate bailouts, there is little likelihood that Washington, D.C., could or will allow a default in the municipal bond market to occur in the current economic and financial environment. In fact, through the stimulus bill and other actions, the federal government has already taken a number of steps to make that less likely.

...That said, a lot of companies that proved too big to fail weren't too big to change. Wall Street was given compensation caps. GM had to renegotiate its labor contracts. If Washington is going to bail out the Golden State, it should make the money contingent on structural reforms that leave the state better able to balance budgets in the future. This should be like an IMF intervention (maybe Simon Johnson has some thoughts?).

California's legislature is in a strange position: It needs a two-thirds vote to raise taxes but also has to fund ballot propositions that require a simple majority of an uninterested public. The majority party in the legislature, in other words, can neither control how much money it raises nor how much money it spends. That's not a sustainable state of affairs.

As I've been writing about here at Calitics recently, this is not a far-fetched possibility. It is entirely possible that DC could use this as leverage to force Arnold to accept a majority vote budget. There's no legal way for the federal government to force our Constitution to change, but as with most forms of federalism post-1933, the power of the purse is usually sufficient.

What concerns me much more is Ezra's comment "this should be like an IMF intervention." The sad irony is "IMF interventions" themselves were invented to deal with a default of an American government - in this case New York City in 1975. Lots of folks remember Gerald Ford's famous "Ford to City: Drop Dead" moment where he refused a federal bailout for NYC. Few know the follow-up to that story, where the bondholders took Milton Friedman's theories for a test drive. They demanded and received massive cuts to social services in exchange for renegotiating the city's debt. The successful model was then used on Mexico, Argentina, and many other countries.

We've seen workers crammed down in the auto bailout and seen homeowners get screwed in the bank bailout. I am not confident that a federal bailout of CA would avoid similarly nasty outcomes.

From what I can tell the most likely outcome is something less than an outright "bailout" that could stabilize things for a little while, but not solve the deeper problem. Congress is likely to come up with some solution by which the Treasury backs California's short-term Revenue Anticipation Notes. That might be enough to avert a near-term cash crisis. It won't be enough to right the ship.

Of equal importance is the upcoming fight over the stimulus rules. It is critically important that the Obama Administration refuse to bend those rules. Republicans are already demanding that we be given a waiver from the rules in order to make massive cuts to social services and education, cuts that were forbade as a condition of accepting the stimulus.

Otherwise Arnold Schwarzenegger's efforts to play the role of Fernando de la RĂșa will come to fruition. And that's the last thing we want.

Robert Cruickshank :: California Bailout Talk Ramps Up
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Obama to State: Drop Dead (0.00 / 0)
How I would love to see that headline...

Seriously? (5.00 / 1)
Are you really going to decry the cuts in social services after you advocated the defeat of measures that would have softened the blow? Geez.

Grow up (0.00 / 0)
You tried to sell a crap sandwich to the state and the voters resoundingly will tell you today to take a hike.  That doesn't mean the people who refused to buy your crap can't or shouldn't demand that their government provide basic services.  Nor does it mean that the state's leaders are suddenly off the hook and don't need to come up with a solution that people will buy into.

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I'm still waiting (8.00 / 1)
for your "solution" that will get the necessary Republican support and Governor's signature that will be required to stave off the cuts. Not some dreamland scenario, something that will pass muster.

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Just because we support social services (4.00 / 1)
doesn't mean we are obligated to pay for them with regressive taxes.  The state must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, i.e., have progressive policies, and pay for them in a progressive way.


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Right (0.00 / 0)
so tell me how you are going to get "progressive" taxes passed with this Governor and a 2/3 budget requirement? I'm still iistening.  

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We know. (0.00 / 0)
I think I see the problem.  You think we don't understand that if the propositions are defeated, the budget will have to be cut for now, until someday in the future when the 2/3 rules are repealed.  But we understand this completely.

The goal is to repeal the 2/3 rules as fast as possible -- June 2010 (or sooner, if an opportunity occurs) -- and for the state to make more rational budget and tax decisions at that time.  In the meantime, whatever cuts have to happen, will have to happen.

You keep saying that without the propositions, the budget will be cut.  We know.  But we would rather see the budget cut, than see the state enact the bad public policies contained in the propositions -- because the budget can be restored, in the future, more easily than these bad propositions can be eliminated.


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I will bet U $1000 2/3 is not repealed in the next 5 years (0.00 / 0)
Abd this wrong headed "progressive" approach (though it always seems to begin with regressive taxation) will stymie any REAL lberal progress in this state.

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It's frustraing in thatI support quite a fewof the liberal positions... (0.00 / 0)
...most on this site hold but this wrong headed approach on taxing the least among us is beyond me.  Yet I see WAY more posts supporting taxation seemingly for taxations sake as opposed to drug law reform and at least posing the question of WHY we have a large underclass vs what we need to spend on said underclass.

Sheesh...


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You are importing your own prejudices (0.00 / 0)
into your assessment of the opinions here. That you fail to correctly assess the views of the posters here is not surprising based on the bizarre and internally contradictory political opinions you espouse.

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Since you speak in more general terms than me... (0.00 / 0)
You have little room to criticize.  And one of the reasons I read this sight from time to time is that I do enjoy the posts on issues regarding social justice and civil rights.

But the fact that in the few contrarian postings I have made (which have never included name calling or such silliness) only 2 or 3 people have engaged in a debate.

If you wish to remain in your kool aid drinking bubble (there now I finally name called LOL) thats fine but considering ALL RECENT ATTEMPTS AT REGRESSIVE TAXATION HAVE FAILED COMPLETELY WITH THE PUBLIC as the exodus from CA continues. (which being a business owner, albeit a modest one, in the private sector I have seen first hand)

And show me some imperical data from a spectrum of sources that says 2/3rds is unpopular with the voters.  No willy nilly questioning but a direct poll on Prop 13.


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You start from these bizarre and false premises (0.00 / 0)
about what people here think:

"taxation for taxation's sake"
"opposed to changing drug policy"
"not interested in the causes of the underclass"
"in favor of regressive taxation"

All of these are simply false statements about the people who write here and bizarrely so.  The consistency with which you're wrong about people here suggests that you're not even reading anything people here write (or at least not understanding it), but instead you're just importing your particular assumptions about "liberals".  

And then let's add in your previous position that some kids just aren't worth saving, so any money spent trying to educate them is just wasted.  Which would seem to be completely in opposition to your complaints about the causes of the underclass (however you define that word).


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You obviously can't read yourself (0.00 / 0)
I said "as opposed to changing drug policy" in that it's a more attainable and prescient goal.

And I didn't say you weren't interested in the underclass so your use of quotes is questionable or stupid, take you pick.  I do think you are misguided and considering I grew up in that underclass while you may disagree with my viewpoint you cannot invalidate it as it applies to my own experiences.

And since I was told that an extra $400 in taxes shouldn't mean anything to me... (not a home owner or in possession of a great savings) Yeah I think some of you support regressive taxation.

So while some here support flooding the school system with immigrants with which there is ABSOLUTELY NO workable tax plan to pay for them (at the expense of the other students) your concern for the kids rings hollow.

And for those Mexican citizens (whom I do have sympathy for) the best you can do is put up Democrats who support NAFTA and the continued looting of Mexico by the oligarchy.

I seem to remember Dems cheering Vincente Fox and his facist government in the state assembly.

All these issues link together but JSW it seems you can not see the forest for the trees.  


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You are conflating (0.00 / 0)
"Dems" with "people who write here".

A lot of the sins you're attributing to "Dems" -- assuming for the sake of argument that you're right -- are not sins that people here share.  So maybe you can actually read what people here write instead of what you think they think.

For example, with respect to people who contribute to the front page:

1)  I think almost everyone who contributes regularly would be a HUGE fan of changing drug policy, but the establishment -- especially the conservatives -- are profoundly opposed.  The bloggers here are radically at odds with the establishment on this point.  Whether that goal is attainable depends a great deal not only on California, but also on national politics where you would need to get through the culturally conservative drug warriors in the Senate.

2)  Nobody who writes here supports regressive taxation.  NOBODY.  The only thing anyone who contributes here has said is that the proposed regressive taxation of the last budget is preferable to tearing down the state government and firing a lot of people who will then lose their homes, stop contributing to the economy, etc.  That's hardly an endorsement.  

3)  I don't think anyone here supports NAFTA.  It's a trainwreck for both sides of the border.  Again, at odds with the establishment.  Incidentally, I at least think that Bill Clinton's support of NAFTA was a sellout of working people (especially the unions you dislike so much) and politically stupid.

4)  Regarding immigration, I can't speak to the general view of the bloggers here on every element of that very complicated question, but I think that most people here think that current immigration policy is stupid and misguided.  Criminalizing immigration while demanding cheap lettuce and construction labor is stupid and hypocritical.  Americans need to decide which one they want.  Creating a permanent underclass by denying access to education once people are here is also stupid.  As a side note, I think that Americans might want to consider as an asset the character of people willing to risk death in a desert crossing for a job picking lettuce or roofing in the Central Valley sun.  

So, almost none of the views that you're attributing to the bloggers here is true -- they're views that you attribute to "Dems" and then to the bloggers here by some kind of transitive property.


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The 2/3 rules are going down (6.50 / 2)
...because it's no longer just Democrats and progressives (and principled conservatives who believe in majority rule) who want to repeal them.  People in business and finance increasingly get the picture also.  The business/finance sector is a traditional home for low-tax views, but it has an even stronger attraction to stability.  And they see the same things we all see:  that the 2/3 rules, and the bizarre tax and budget policies that grow out of them, have turned into a recipe for chaos.  

Frankly, Republicans should also support the repeal of the 2/3 rules, because eliminating them will really put the Democrats to the test.  When Democrats have to adopt their own budget and tax policies, and be held accountable for them, they will no longer be able to hide behind the 2/3 rules as an excuse to their own base.  If what they do is unpopular, Republicans will have an open door.


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Well Put (0.00 / 0)
"Frankly, Republicans should also support the repeal of the 2/3 rules, because eliminating them will really put the Democrats to the test.  When Democrats have to adopt their own budget and tax policies, and be held accountable for them, they will no longer be able to hide behind the 2/3 rules as an excuse to their own base.  If what they do is unpopular, Republicans will have an open door."

Now if only the powers that be frame it in this manner.  This idea needs to be articulated in a conservative framework.


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Surely you can't be serious. (5.50 / 4)
This coming from the guy who is working for a proposition that will mandate cuts in social services as far as the eye can see? We have a crisis in California, but I'd prefer we not still be dealing with its effects in 2029.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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Actually, it doesn't (0.00 / 0)
...which is why Speaker Bass and Sen. Steinberg are supporting it. It allows growth in spending, just not by giant spikes.

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Nice (8.00 / 1)
So you're reduced to parroting Republican frames in your last-ditch effort to pass these turkeys? "Giant spikes in spending" - really? You mean like the $6 billion "spike" that came as a result of Arnold's VLF repeal?

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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backstop (0.00 / 0)
guaranteeing muni bonds will only help CA with about $1 billion in the short-term, which is better than nothing, but not the stuff of bailouts.  Since that won't cost the USG a dime, I expect it to happen through some Treasury Dept. program.  Anything more I simply wouldn't expect.

And I agree about the need for the Administration to remain firm on the stimulus rules.


How much does California pay? (0.00 / 0)
Each year, California sends substantially more to Washington in taxes than it gets back in federal spending.  I've heard that this amount is about the size of the hole in the budget.  This is the case California should be making: every other year, we bail out Washington with a grant.  This year we just want a loan.

If I recall correctly, (0.00 / 0)
we get back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to the Feds.

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Rate v Amount (0.00 / 0)
I realize that California will always get back a smaller share than what we give (higher incomes push more people into higher tax brackets, and federal spending for in-state services will never totally account for higher cost of living and everything else, and every state gets two senators, among other reasons).  That figure is nice for the regular battle to get that figure up from 78 cents to maybe a reasonable goal of 85 cents, but I'm thinking something different.

I'm thinking of comparing similar numbers.  California has a $21 billion hole in the budget.  If I recall, we pay about $20 billion more in taxes than we get back.  So the framing for the California bailout needs to be that we bail out Washington every year, and this year we really need it back.


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