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Republican Candidates Fundamentally Miss the Point of California's Voters

by: Brian Leubitz

Mon May 18, 2009 at 16:01:15 PM PDT


Thanks to the power of twitter, we have some real-time reporting from this afternoon's "debate" between Tom Campbell and Steve Poizner.  They each came kitted out with props. Campbell apparently is a fan of whiteboards, and Poizner brought massive copies of the current California budget.  Ooh, fun!

But neither actually addressed the real problem: the economic crisis in California. Instead, they choose to address the symptoms by cutting spending from the California budget.  Robert described Campbell's "plan", but Poizner is even more ludicrous. Apparently a "process" makes massive cuts palatable

Poizner says it's "distasteful" to talk about cuts without a "process." LAT's George Skelton says "process doesn't solve budget problem." (John Myers twitter)

And despite any stories about tea bags in the ballot, the plural of anecdote is not data. (My apologies to Raymond Wolfringer.) Is the symbolism more robust with a teabag in the ballot? Sure, but symbolism alone does not and should not drive the narrative.

The narrative is this: Californians are sick and tired of a dysfunctional government. They want quality schools and services that work for California. And while some taxes aren't all that popular, there are a lot of taxes that could pass provided that the Governor provided some real leadership. Rather than just sitting behind a podium trying to scare people, we need a leader that is willing to go to bat for Californians.

Tea bags are a distraction from what is the sad fact facing California: we are about to Hoover our economy, and the Republicans are cheering it on.

Brian Leubitz :: Republican Candidates Fundamentally Miss the Point of California's Voters
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Oh, yeah (0.00 / 0)
I am working for the No on 1A Campaign, however, I am not working for any other No campaign. My opinions should not be construed to be those of the campaign, especially when it comes to the remaining measures.

I think?

Name two taxes that would work (0.00 / 0)
without destroying our economy and heading us down the road of New York's welfare state that went bankrupt in the 70's quite literally.

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dude, you really do like trolling (0.00 / 0)
So, just so you know, we know you are the same person as "classicalfreedom." Changing UIDs doesn't really confuse us all that much.

As to which taxes work, how about a truly progressive income tax to start off with.

I think?


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we have i think (0.00 / 0)
the second or third highest marginal income tax rate of the 50 states.

compare that with the fact that 9 states don't even tax wage income, and five or six more have a flat tax.


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and we don't even give a discount rate (0.00 / 0)
for LT capital gains, which the federal government does, and what most countries in the world do

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Yeah, ok... (0.00 / 0)
According to the Tax Foundation (found via Google, don't know their political lean), CA went from 4th highest total tax rate in 1977 to 6th highest in 2008. Looking at their comparison of rates and brackets, CA doesn't seem very out of sync with other states (some have lower rates but lower brackets, etc). The Tax Foundation does point out that CA has a very high sales tax, but doesn't collect much on it.

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Ah, here we are.. (0.00 / 0)
Same site, property tax rate as a percentage of house value: .5%, 43rd highest (7th lowest). Oddly, the median dollar amount of property tax is 10th highest ($2688), but the rate drops when compared to our very high average property value. That tells me the guys who own cheaper homes are getting hosed, while those who own expensive homes aren't paying much (or the median dollar amount would be higher). If we payed as much on a percentage basis as Texas, 1.84%, average property tax would be an astounding $9794.

Yes, I realize property taxes in CA don't go to the state general fund, but a perennial budgetary battle seems to loom over state payments to cash-strapped local governments and schools, which should be getting funded by property taxes. Seems like an amendment to Prop 13 is in order.


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I just came up on Twitter (0.00 / 0)
mainly to keep my family updated on what I'll be doing on my upcoming deployment to Afghanistan. However, I checked for my elected representatives, and only one (Darrell Issa) is up. My state rep and sen (Diane Harkey and Mark Wyland, respectively) don't seem to be. Why are all my elected reps republicans?? Except CA's two senators, obviously.

Anyway, I'd rather have a tax system that makes sense and can fund our priorities (like education and fire safety) instead of just piling on a huge and regressive sales tax. Why do we rely on a huge sales tax for everything? Is it that politically unpalatable to change the income tax? I make quite a lot, and I think my state income tax is retardedly low.


Income isn't low (0.00 / 0)
Spending is too high.  With the passage of Proposition 98 California's spending on K-14 Education is through the roof and our electeds have no ability to fix it.

In the LAUSD even though the student population dropped by 7% the number of teachers only reduced by 5%.  The additional 2% amounts to highly paid union waste.

Additionally, the top 10% of income earners pay 90% of the income taxes.  If anything the tax brackets are too progressive.


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So let's see it (0.00 / 0)
Back up your assertion that "spending is too high", realizing that at least $15 billion in annual spending growth after 2002 is the product of either tax cuts (the backfill to counties and cities of lost VLF revenue), accounting gimmicks (a 2004 shift of some school funds to the state), and Arnold's borrowing.

Also, explain your metric as to what makes a spending amount "too high." What's the objective Goldilocks point of "just right?"

I'm sick of seeing "omg spending is too high" thrown around as if we all agree with it. We don't. Show your work.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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furthermore (0.00 / 0)
AdamH says Prop 98 put educational spending through the roof. What a joke. We're 47th in per pupil spending, and that's "through the roof." What a joke.

I think?

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Throwing more money at the problem isn't the answer (0.00 / 0)
Washington DC ranks close to worst in standardized testing yet spends $13,500 per pupil (3rd in the nation). http://tinyurl.com/dh43kw

Throwing more money at the problem is not the solution.  Working to hold teachers accountable for their students' education is the way to make that happen.  For example, merit based pay is a great way to reward good teachers for educating students well.

;)


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Again...evidence? (0.00 / 0)
Unless you're busy writing a detailed reply to my other comment, I'm going to assume you're avoiding the issue again by passing off ideas as if we all agree with them without providing backing evidence.

In this case, merit pay. A recent study called into question the entire concept both for teachers and for the private sector as a whole - the article in fact noted that merit pay is rarely used in the private sector.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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I don't know about "too progressive"... (0.00 / 0)
but you main point is simply undeniable.  We spend too much money.  Progressives have got to get over their thing with unions and see that a real progressive agenda help those with the greatest need.  And well-paid government workers are not the ones with the greatest need.

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Once again, you keep taking this line (0.00 / 0)
but you don't really seem to have a good sense of what you want to cut, except prison costs (good on you), which, again, are driven by conservative "tough on crime" policies.

Other than that, the continued harping on "gummint employees are overpaid" is straight up spite politics.  I never understand why people can't look at the unionization of government employment, which protects the pay and benefits of actual working people and think "how can we get more of that in the private sector again".  Instead, they just think "damn unions, stealing my money".  Trapped by 40 years of conservative propaganda and spite.


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Spending too high? (0.00 / 0)
And you choose education funding to illustrate that? Can we possibly spend too much on education? I don't think so, it's an investment, not an expense, and it's been proven to pay dividends in the form of a more robust economy when those better-educated students enter the workforce. I'm in the military, and we're always hearing about how we can never pay the military enough for what we do...teachers should fall into the same category. Both of us willingly make a sacrifice to benefit our community.

I love how you chose LAUSD as an example...when did the student population drop by 7%? You're going to have to cite a source, unless you want us to think you just pull the number out of your ass. Anyway....so the number of teachers dropped by slightly less than the number of students...that wouldn't have anything to do with CA's 20.9 students/teacher (much higher than average...New York is 12.8, national average is 15.5) And lest you accuse me of making things up, here's MY source: Dept of Education Student Enrollment info, 2006-2007 school year.


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