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Do Taxes 'Hurt'? Is Government Bad?

by: davej

Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 10:22:54 AM PDT


By Dave Johnson.  This piece originally appeared at the Speak Out California blog.

As I read my Monday morning (Oct. 1, 2007) San Jose Mercury News a headline jumped out at me: "Cigarette tax would hurt poor".

How often do we hear that taxes "hurt" or "punish" one group or another?  How often do we hear that taxes are a "burden on the economy" or "cost jobs?"  How many politicians talk about providing "tax relief?"

George Lakoff, of the Rockridge Institute writes that this language "frames" taxes as an affliction:

davej :: Do Taxes 'Hurt'? Is Government Bad?
For there to be "relief" there must be an affliction, an afflicted party harmed by the affliction, and a reliever who takes the affliction away and is therefore a hero. And if anybody tries to stop the reliever, he's a villain wanting the suffering to go on. Add "tax" to the mix and you have a metaphorical frame: Taxation as an affliction, the taxpayer as the afflicted party, the president as the hero, and [people who believe in government] as the villains.

This anti-tax rhetoric results from an anti-government worldview that is pushed by conservatives, in which they portray our government as some kind of enemy of the public.  Ronald Reagan is famous for sayings like, "Government is the problem, not the solution" and, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' "  The constant use of negative framing like this to describe government and taxes leads regular people to think about their government as a negative, malevolent force. We have been hearing this drumbeat for so long, and with so little pushback to counter these ideas, that many people just accept that this is the way it is.

But are taxes really an affliction?  Is government really a negative force in society?  Let's step back from the affliction frame for a second and take a different look at the idea of taxes and government.

Let's start with the basics.  Who is the government?  The Constitutions of the United States of America and of the state of California both begin with the words, "We the people."  So "we, the people" are the government.  The government is US -- you and me!  When you think about it this way, it makes the things Ronald Reagan said sound contradictory.  How can we, the people be the problem?  How can it be scary that we, the people are here to help each other?

What does our government do?  Again, back to the basics, our government builds the roads, hires teachers and police and firefighters and judges, and, in the bigger picture, sets up the rules for the society we want.  We build roads and the roads allow us to get to the schools, businesses, stores and parks where we work, shop, study and relax.  And because we have our schools and jobs and stores and parks, and the rules for the society we want, in theory we are able to live a little better every year.  When the government is functioning as it should, these rules enable all of us to pursue happiness and our businesses and people to prosper.  And these rules are decided by us through our elections. 

In other words, WE decide what our government does and how our money is used to our mutual benefit. 

So how can government and taxes be bad if the government is us?  Looking at things this way, doesn't this all mean that taxes are like a savings and investment account where we get back so much more than we put in?  And, building on that, since we use the taxes to our mutual benefit aren't we all better off if there are more taxes rather than less?  Doesn't that just make us all stronger?

What about all the "government bureaucracy" that conservatives complain about?  Well, looked at in this new way, the government's money is our money, so of course we want to be able to account for how it is being spent.  That means it has to be tracked every step of the way.  We want to know that it is spent honestly and efficiently, and the necessary transparency and the oversight that accomplishes this does require people and procedures. 

Conservatives also say government is "inefficient." But anyone who has worked in a corporation has experienced the alternative.  In many corporations a few people at the top decide how things are going to be, and they pass commands down from the top.  Anyone who disagrees has the choice to do what they are told or leave.  It's great for the people who are at the very top - but sometimes not so great if you are not. 

The processes involved when lots of people get together to decide how to utilize our shared resources can get somewhat cumbersome.  Anyone who has ever been in a homeowners association understands this.  But in our system of government everyone is involved in making the decisions.  This can take longer than it can take in a business, but it also lets all of us have a say.

This is how democracy works.  This is the price we pay for letting everyone have a say in how our society is set up.  Together we mutually decide how best to build and manage our society, and this can take some time and effort.  We decide the best ways to spend our money and we want systems in place so that we know that the money is being used properly. 

So we all have a choice.  If we want firefighters and police to be there for us when we need them, and if we want good schools and teachers so all of our children have an opportunity to succeed, then we have to pay the necessary taxes to pay for those things.  And if we want to continue to have a say in how our government works and what it does, we have to put up with the decision-making process.  It's a part of growing up and taking on the responsibilities.

Or, we go a different way.  We can hand those choices and responsibilities over to the "private sector" - the corporations - and let others decide how things are going to be done and how our money and common resources will be used.  Thinking about Enron and Katrina and Iraq and our current privatized health care system, I wonder how we can expect that will work out for us? 

Dave Johnson regularly blogs at Seeing the Forest

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I do agree with the overall premise of this message, along with what Lakoff says. However...

"Let's start with the basics.  Who is the government?  The Constitutions of the United States of America and of the state of California both begin with the words, "We the people."  So "we, the people" are the government.  The government is US -- you and me!  When you think about it this way, it makes the things Ronald Reagan said sound contradictory.  How can we, the people be the problem?  How can it be scary that we, the people are here to help each other?"

Yes, government of the people, by the people, and for the people. But no, government helping is not the same as the people helping

"What does our government do?  Again, back to the basics, our government builds the roads, hires teachers and police and firefighters and judges, and, in the bigger picture, sets up the rules for the society we want.  We build roads and the roads allow us to get to the schools, businesses, stores and parks where we work, shop, study and relax.  And because we have our schools and jobs and stores and parks, and the rules for the society we want, in theory we are able to live a little better every year.  When the government is functioning as it should, these rules enable all of us to pursue happiness and our businesses and people to prosper.  And these rules are decided by us through our elections."

If only they did. Spending went up 30% in Arnold's first term, and do we have new roads, teachers, police, water, schools, or anything else the government provides, to show for it? NO. In theory you are right, not in practice right now

"In other words, WE decide what our government does and how our money is used to our mutual benefit."

We didn't ask for the waste, fraud, abuse, pork, and mismanagement we currently have. That I can tell you. Even the ultra-conservative LA Times admits 30% of Medi-Cal dollars are lost to fraud!

"What about all the "government bureaucracy" that conservatives complain about?  Well, looked at in this new way, the government's money is our money, so of course we want to be able to account for how it is being spent.  That means it has to be tracked every step of the way.  We want to know that it is spent honestly and efficiently, and the necessary transparency and the oversight that accomplishes this does require people and procedures. "

Doesn't answer the question

"Conservatives also say government is "inefficient." But anyone who has worked in a corporation has experienced the alternative.  In many corporations a few people at the top decide how things are going to be, and they pass commands down from the top.  Anyone who disagrees has the choice to do what they are told or leave.  It's great for the people who are at the very top - but sometimes not so great if you are not."

If you can find something in the yellow pages, it's likely better to contract it out. Case in point: Many states contract out custody of portions of their prison population.  2 companies were ready to provide medium-level security for $23,000 per year, including the capital cost of construction, and within 15-18 months of signing the contract. That would save a ton of money and time!

"So we all have a choice.  If we want firefighters and police to be there for us when we need them, and if we want good schools and teachers so all of our children have an opportunity to succeed, then we have to pay the necessary taxes to pay for those things.  And if we want to continue to have a say in how our government works and what it does, we have to put up with the decision-making process.  It's a part of growing up and taking on the responsibilities."

We ARE paying for them. We're not getting them! I don't know anyone who wants those things cut. I don't want a tax increase we start getting what we pay for. We've almost doubled our per capita spending on schools over the past 10 years and remain stagnant in student achievement. That satisfy you? We pay the 3rd highest tax per gallon of gasoline, and spend 43rd per capita on our highways. That satisfy you?

"Or, we go a different way.  We can hand those choices and responsibilities over to the "private sector" - the corporations - and let others decide how things are going to be done and how our money and common resources will be used.  Thinking about Enron and Katrina and Iraq and our current privatized health care system, I wonder how we can expect that will work out for us? "

First off, corporations are NOT the only private sector type of company, and anyone who knows basic economics understands that. Second, government should provide PUBLIC GOODS; goods that people can't be excluded from benefiting from, nor does one person's use of it take away from others'. I know few people who dispute that. Just because government should provide it, doesn't mean government employees have to do it. They should have to bid against private employees every year for a contract.

I'm not against taxes, I'm against raising taxes when we can find the savings other ways without breaking a sweat

Lastly, when Justice Holmes said, "Taxes are the price we pay for civilization," the highest anyone was paying to all levels of government combined was 7% of their income. Now we have people paying over 50%. I assure you he is spinning in his grave

The Silent Consensus


Lower wages are better? (0.00 / 0)
You advocate contracting government services out to the lowest bidders, but isn't it better public policy that we, through our government, set the example of paying HIGHER wages with BETTER benefits rather than working to drive wages down?  Aren't HIGHER ages and benefits better for us?

By the way, what does "Even the ultra-conservative LA Times admits 30% of Medi-Cal dollars are lost to fraud!"mean?  OF COURSE conservatives argue that government promotes fraud.  That's because they oppose democratic government.  Is it true?  Probably not.  If it IS true, then clearly we need MORE government to be keeping an eye on things.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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In case you couldn't tell (0.00 / 0)
I was being SARCASTIC when I said "Even the ultra-conservative LA Times admits 30% of Medi-Cal dollars are lost to fraud!" The LA Times is NOT conservative by any means, they are liberal

"You advocate contracting government services out to the lowest bidders, but isn't it better public policy that we, through our government, set the example of paying HIGHER wages with BETTER benefits rather than working to drive wages down?  Aren't HIGHER ages and benefits better for us?"

First off, wages and benefits are NOT the only reason the private sector can be more efficient

Let's assume though that they are. The answer is no. Requiring people to pay for people to receive higher wages and benefits than they are receiving in the same job is not better public policy nor is it fair. A study by the Employee Benefits Research Institute has shown that government employees receive 40% higher wages and 60% more benefits than the private sector

The Silent Consensus


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If you say (8.00 / 1)
If you say the private sector can be more efficient, you have never worked in the private sector.

As for the study you cite.  It says "This comparison does not distinguish the substantial differences that exist between positions in the private and public sectors, such as required levels of education and knowledge; physical risk; skills; and the public's compelling interest in ensuring that certain public-sector positions be filled with qualified, career-oriented professionals."

Also, government jobs still tend to be unionized.  So in lower to middle-class positions they would still pay fairly and have benefits.  THIS IS A GOOD THING.  You are advocating taking this away from people.  What is the public benefit of removing pensions and benefits and lowering wages?


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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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I'm advocating (0.00 / 0)
a system where private and public employees receive equal compensation for similar work. That's it

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I also notice... (0.00 / 0)
you're citing the private sector fuck-ups (Enron for example) as proof the private sector isn't to be trusted. That's like saying Clarence Thomas represents blacks on the Supreme Court. Plenty of private sector companies can be trusted, and plenty of times the government has contracted out successfully. We don't hear about them though, because the media won't make money off reporting it!

You want an example, and I realize this isn't as significant as the other stuff, but my point is the same: NYC failed to rebuild the Wollman Ice-Skating Rink in Central Park for SIX YEARS. At the end of 6 years, they were further from completing it than when they began it, millions had been wasted, and all set to rip out the concrete and start over

Instead, Donald Trump offered to do it himself. Result: Complete in 4 months, fraction of the cost

The Silent Consensus


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As I said (0.00 / 0)
If you are trying to say government is less efficient than private companies, you've obviously never worked in a private company.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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And I say (0.00 / 0)
if you're trying to say government is more efficient, then you've never been to the DMV

I have worked in a private company, and we certainly were more efficient because we had competition

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Before you say (0.00 / 0)
that the study doesn't distinguish the kind of jobs, and that the government jobs require above-average skill, physical ability, and have a higher degree of physical risk, know that I am aware of that. So it makes sense that they are paid more than the private sector as a whole, however...

If the private sector is doing something that government needs, and does it for a lower price, then the government should contract it out. That's my basic point

The Silent Consensus


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I understand your basic point. (8.00 / 1)
You want people to be paid less. That is your basic point.  Public jobs still can be unionized, still have benefits, and still pay fairly, and you are saying this is a reason to stop having public jobs.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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No (0.00 / 0)
I want public and private sector employees to be paid equally for similar work. Whatever happened to 'equal pay for equal work?' I thought that was a liberal ideology. Yes I know that is about gender discrimination, but regardless

No, it's not a reason to stop having public jobs. The taxpayers deserve the best deal, as you said, it's THEIR money, so I support competitive bidding

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Are you seriously comparing (0.00 / 0)
private and public sector unions? Along with private and public sector pensions? No comparison on either end

How do members of private unions get paid? Through voluntary transactions. Those voluntary transactions occur from selling a quality good/service at a reasonable price, so their power is restrained. It was Samuel Gompers who said, "The worst crime against working people is a company which fails to operate at a profit"

How do members of public unions get paid? Through force by government. If you think not, try not paying your taxes. They spend money and manpower to ensure "their" candidates are elected. Then, when time to sit at the table, they have representation on both sides. Who does that leave out? Taxpayers

If we were to contract out, some of the work is bound to go to members of private unions, and that wouldn't be a bad thing

On pensions, public and private have one huge difference: if public pensions lose money, taxpayers pick up the difference. Nothing stopping poor investing or over-promising benefits.

Private employees suffer losses in their investments, governments ends up losing tax revenue, and taxpayers sure the public pension funds for their own self-induced losses.

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Is it drugs? (0.00 / 0)
"How do members of public unions get paid? Through force by government."

This is nonsense.  Gobbledygook.  Slogans.

I can't stand talking to libertarians, you just end up getting cult jibberish spouted back at you.

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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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They do (0.00 / 0)
dave, I'm sorry if you can't accept it. Taxation is taken by FORCE, period. That's how public union members get paid, period. End of story

The Silent Consensus

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You don't floss, do you? (0.00 / 0)
Because your mother told you to.  And that was "force."

And you wouldn't clean your room.

And you really, really hate stop signs.

I get it.


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Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?


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