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Honoring Citizen Korematsu

by: lgordonwi

Sun Feb 19, 2012 at 11:18:18 AM PST


(I meant to promote this yesterday, but it is still worth noting. - promoted by Brian Leubitz)

Today, Feb. 19, 2012, is the 70th anniversary of Executive Order 9066, which ordered the imprisonment of some 120,000 Japanese Americans, about 3/5 of them US citizens.  They were imprisoned without charges, let alone convictions.

Less well known is the direct connection that one of the heroic resisters of that internment with President Bush's similar imprisonment of uncharged, unconvicted men at Guantanamo.  So this is a good day to honor the memory of Fred Korematsu.

lgordonwi :: Honoring Citizen Korematsu
In 2003 Fred Korematsu filed an amicus habeas corpus brief in the case Shafiq Rasul v. George W.  Bush, in which Rasul, a British citizen, was represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights.  A District Court and a Court of Appeals had ruled that US courts had no jurisdiction over Guantanamo because it is not on US territory. Korematsu argued that "in order to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past, the Supreme Court should make clear in these cases that the United States respects fundamental constitutional and human rights-even in times of war. These cases present the Supreme Court with a direct test of whether it will meet its deepest constitutional responsibilities to uphold the law in a clear-eyed and courageous manner."  He won, and the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration. Rasul and his fellow prisoner Asif Iqbal were released to the British.

Here is the whole story: Fred Toyosaburo Korematsu was born in Oakland, California, in 1919, where he attended school.  Rejected for the draft because of stomach ulcers, he worked as a welder in a defense plant until the attack on Pearl Harbor when he was fired.  Ordered to report to an internment camp, he joined a minority of American citizens of Japanese descent who determined to resist what they considered an unconstitutional order; he later said that he believed he was entitled to a fair trial and a chance to defend his loyalty to the US.  He was then jailed in San Francisco.  When asked by the ACLU, he agreed to become a "test case," was tried, convicted of refusing the order, and forcibly taken to a camp.  He appealed and was again convicted in 1944 by the US Supreme Court, Justice Hugo Black writing the opinion, Frankfurter concurring.  Released after the War, he returned to Oakland.

The case was reopened 40 years later, when scholar Peter Irons discovered evidence that FDR's Solicitor General had deliberately suppressed evidence that both the FBI and armed forces intelligence had determined that Japanese Americans offered no disloyalty threat.  Korematsu's conviction was voided in 1983 and in 1988 President Clinton gave him a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Fred Korematsu exhibited his citizenly courage once again in 2003-04.  He actually filed three amicus briefs, in Rasul v Bush, in Khaled A.F. Al Odah v. United States of America, and in Donald Rumsfeld v. Jose Padilla, assisted by several Bar associations and law firms, all with similar arguments: against imprisonment without trial.  Korematsu remarked, "If that principle was not learned from the internment of Japanese Americans, then these are very dangerous times for our democracy."

Korematsu died in 2005 at age 85.  "I'll never forget my government treating me like this. And I really hope that this will never happen to anybody else because of the way they look, if they look like the enemy of our country.... protest, but not with violence, and don't be afraid to speak up. One person can make a difference, even if it takes forty years."

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FDR & Japanese Internment. (0.00 / 0)
A man in a wheel chair at that time did what he thought was best to preserve freedom and win a war.

It's unusual that FDR is never mentioned or blamed for the policy, and that the policy met the test of constitutional inquiry.

The same for the dropping of an atomic weapon.

Had HST not ordered the dropping of the atomic weapon, the casualty count of American lives was 250,000 had a full scale invasion taken place of Japan.

It's important to remember the Japanese attacked the US and then refused to surrender when all was lost.

It's nice to look back at history because we have that benefit.

Those who made those decisions did not.


Right !! (1.00 / 1)
But, FDR and the American public didn't call for the internment of Italian Americans or German Americans
Germany was a much bigger threat than Japan

The internment of Japanese Americans was a product of American Racism
Plain and Simple
Why Pretend otherwise ???

As for the Atom bombing of Japan...
Can you say 'War Crime' ??
They were defeated and we attacked CIVILIANS

And, now WE THINK Iran is not responsible enough for Nukes
The Israelis proliferated nuclear weapons technology to Apartheid-ruled South Africa in the 70's
In 1979, the South Africans exploded a nuclear device

Now, They're gonna decide who does and doesn't get nukes ?


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Naive and ignorant. (0.00 / 0)
100,000 Japanese lived in Hawaii at the time of the war. The thought being sabatoge was a distinct possibility.

No where on the mainland did Germans or Italians as a community threaten American life or culture.

You want to call it racism, I call it national security issue that helped win the war.

You call the dropping of an atomic weapon a "war crime," I call it winning the war in the Pacific theater and saving 200,000 to 250,000 American young men who would have perished on the beaches of Japan in a protracted struggle on the mainland.

It's simply amazing to me that internment is more important to you than retaining our country from an enemy that started the war with a sneak attack of our mainland losing 3,000 people at Pearl Harbor.

I suggest you visit Pearl and the USS Arizona, a floating war memorial of those killed by Japanese aggression.


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Really (1.00 / 1)
Actually, Neisei in Hawaii WERE NOT put into concentration camps
Only those on the mainland were.   Go figure
You might want to look up 'Roberto'
As in Rome, Berlin, Tokyo
There was a lot of pro-Axis sentiment among German and Italian immigrants

'...I call it winning the war in the Pacific theater and saving 200,000 to 250,000 American young men...'

Great !
But, there was much speculation that the dropping of the Atomic bombs on civilians wasn't about ending the war.......
It was about intimidating the Soviets
Either way, you're pretty casual about killing Japanese civilians

Lastly, HOW do you justify putting an Entire community into concentration camps on the Basis of their ethnicity ?
Are Japanese-Americans naturally disloyal ?
Please elaborate


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Naturally disloyal? (0.00 / 0)
No.

The empire of Japan was naturally expanding under an  imperialist dictator posing as a god-like emperor, no less evil than Hitler himself!

But we did what we had to do to win and that meant allies with Stalin and the Soviet Bear.

I'm not casual about any death. What Japanese were killed through internment?

The dropping of an atomic weapon was ESSENTIAL TO VICTORY.

Yes, I would rather have the Japanese enemy who STARTED THIS WAR die than my uncle or others who perished in the Pacific theater as you rewrite this revisionist history while failing to address any the facts I've laid on the table.

If it's politcally correct to speak out against internment in 2012 rather than defend the actions of a country under attack in 1941, so be it.

I will defend America and I will not forget who created this situation in the first place.

It is despicable you would rather sacrifice American lives than end the war as Truman did in 1945. Your words border on treason...


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Anything ? (1.00 / 1)
Can you justify ANYTHING ?
Apparently

'...What Japanese were killed through internment?...'
It was AMERICANS that were interned
They were AMERICANS !!
They just weren't white

'...The dropping of an atomic weapon was ESSENTIAL TO VICTORY....'

The Japanese were NEGOTIATING WITH the Swedes at the time
Trying to find a way to end the war
How were Nukes ESSENTIAL ??
How was the INDESCRIMINATE Killing of civilians ESSENTIAL ??
WHERE do you get your 'facts' that nukes were Essential to Victory ??

'... Your words border on treason...'
...(Key Star Spangled Banner).....
So, was My Lai 'ESSENTIAL TO VICTORY' ?
How about Torture at Abu Ghraib ?
or torture at Guantanomo ??

Now I know where Gingrich's votes are coming from


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japanese were suspected of sabotage (1.00 / 1)
because of a deep and abiding racism against them.  germans and italians weren't because, as you say, their communities "did not threaten american life or culture.

ie. they weren't of european descent.

i find it amazing that you're still openly defending a racist policy known for decades to have utterly specious and indefensible.  


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War Crimes? (1.00 / 1)
As for the Atom bombing of Japan...

Can you say 'War Crime' ??

They were defeated and we attacked CIVILIANS

When compared to the firebombing of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were less severe.  March 10, 1945 over 25% of Tokyo burned in a firestorm created by US bombers that killed over 100,000 people.  

However, in total war such as WWII, the line between combatant and civilian is blurred.  Obviously, the people in uniform are combatants, but what about the manufacturing that supplies the war machine?  Is it not legitimate to target that?  Those are often located near population centers, since they actually used people to work in those factories.  And, though technically civilian, they are contributing to the war effort, so are they legitimate targets?  How about the transportation infrastructure?  Preventing the delivery of supplies is as effective as preventing the manufacture of supplies.  The people working the transportation infrastructure, do they become legitimate targets as well as that infrastructure?  What about that most essential supply:  food?  Are food warehouses targets?  How about if they're the military warehouses?  How do you tell the difference where the food is going?

The biggest question then becomes applying one era's standards to another era.  I am personally a pacifist and abhor war, but I am also a realist.  The actions of the commanders on all sides in WWII would appall me today.  But put in the context of the total war that was WWII, may incidents that I'd view today as a "war crime" I'd have to consider standard procedure in that era.


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