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Thanks, Prop 13!

by: David Atkins (thereisnospoon)

Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 01:37:22 AM PDT


The Ventura County Star reports on another victim of austerity:

Birds from around the world have called it home since it was built in 1926 outside Santa Paula in Steckel Park.

Now Ventura County officials plan to demolish the Steckel Park aviary, saying it is dilapidated and would cost too much to make it an acceptable shelter for the feathered creatures.

"The county just doesn't have that kind of money now," Ventura County Supervisor Kathy Long said.

Exactly when the bird sanctuary will be torn down is unknown, said Ron Van Dyck, deputy director of the Ventura County Parks Department, which takes care of Steckel Park.

County officials plan to first find homes for the 100-plus birds now at the shelter, which is next to Highway 150, about five miles north of downtown Santa Paula. The birds include ducks and doves, parrots and parakeets, lovebirds and turkeys, and conures and cockatiels...

Once the shelter is gone, the county expects to save about $11,000 a year, money that is now spent in feeding and caring for the birds, Long said...

Back then, in the pre-Prop. 13 days, the county and other public agencies had enough funding to support not only the aviary but many other amenities, including an amphitheater at Steckel Park, Slaughter said.

"The aviary was a popular place for many years with families and children," Slaughter.

"It was almost like a small zoo."

But many public facilities across California have deteriorated since the passage of Proposition 13 in 1978, Slaughter said.

Grover Norquist be praised. The only question is when--or if--voters will wake up to why we can't have nice things anymore. The sad part is that many of the families who will be upset over the closure will have voted for anti-tax Republicans like Tony Strickland because of "family values."

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Thanks, Prop 13! | 11 comments
If its so important... (5.00 / 1)
Then why doesn't some rich liberal create a fund for it or donate $11K a year for it. Not that hard.  Why does the left always wants someone else to pay for their hobbies?

Exactofreakin'mundo! (3.50 / 2)
If you guys believe the "grassroots" supports these types of public amenities why not start a non-profit funding drive to keep it open???  Of course we know why the average tax payer gives 2 turds about a bird conservatory.  These places are enjoyed by upper income earners who can take the time to do so while the rest of us taxpayers are to busy working.

This post is so full of elite class snobbery it's unbelievable.  "We told you you'd lose these beautiful public parks but you unwashed masses had to vote Republican!" is essentially the point.  Does no one have the freedom to decide they DON"T want a public "service"???

You guys are more delusional than the far right Republicans.  They know the public disagrees with them on a number of issues but they proceeds if they do in a Machiavellian pursuit of power.  You far left progressives actually think people agree with you or that they are just unenlightened.

Talk about group think...

Bird conservatories...  THEY'RE DOUBLE-PLUS GOOD!

Hi. I'm Charles.  I worked my way from homelessness to a business owner.  Be what you have it in you to be!


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Bird Watching (0.00 / 0)
These places are enjoyed by upper income earners who can take the time to do so while the rest of us taxpayers are to busy working.

Bird watching is the most popular sport in North America:

http://www.kilgorenewsherald.c...

Birding watching has exploded into the No. 1 sport in North America, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. There are 51.3 million birders in the U.S. alone and the number is constantly climbing.

It's an outdoor activity that can be done in urban environments as well as rural, there are red-tailed hawks and peregrine falcons in our cities.  It is an inexpensive hobby, binoculars can be bought for less than $100, and you don't even need them.

It is educational.  Understanding our ecosystem is valuable for many reasons, and birds are a part of that ecosystem.  Places like this help cultivate an interest in wildlife among children.

California is an excellent state for bird watching.  Point Reyes has over 400 species that visit regularly.  Up at Tule Lake in winter you have the largest concentration of bald eagles in the lower 48 states.  The Salton Sea hosts an annual festival each February.  The Sacramento Valley has several refuges that see tens of thousands of migrating geese.

It would be remiss of me not to note that we even put a rare bird on our state quarter:

http://www.sierraclub.org/john...

Bird watching is not an activity enjoyed solely by "upper income earners," but by a broad swath of Californians.


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Bird watching is not an activity enjoyed solely by "upper income earners," but by a broad swath of Californians.

i'm sorry, you are right. Inner-city kids, welfare recipients, and children of illegal immigrants are flocking to bird-watching. Or is it teenagers and college students planning their weekends around migrations. Or maybe its the working families with kids that squeeze time between work and school to check out the birds.

I'd like to see a demographic survey of birdwatcherss. Aside from the people throwing bread to pigeons I'm pretty sure its affluent retirees or other people with a lot of time and resources outside of the working family.  


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Demographics (0.00 / 0)
Everyone knows that most bird watchers are inner city kids with a pair of binoculars, a field guide, and a dream.  What a steaming pile this article is.  If we did not spend so much money on public employee salaries, benefits and pensions, we could still have nice things like .this to enjoy.

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Condor's response... (1.00 / 1)
Encapsulates that most annoying of trait of Progressive (or any dogmatic) thought...

"Because I believe something to be right I can will and implore others into supporting those beliefs, who needs facts."

Just like the earlier post by the old South Central lady that in essence blamed "the Man" for the economic troubles of the inner city.  Yet no mention is made of how every city Asian or Arabic communities move into is gentrified within a decade and it's residents prosper (time to look in the mirror).

Just like those who bemoan the child hunger "problem" in America, while the facts show it's a statistically insignificant portion of the population.

I enjoy a lively debate, but it's difficult when your contemporary doesn't acknowledge reality.

Hi. I'm Charles.  I worked my way from homelessness to a business owner.  Be what you have it in you to be!


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I provided links (0.00 / 0)
Refute them, troll.

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Typical Argument (0.00 / 0)
Your response ignores the majority of my response.  This is trollish.  That said, the Department of Fish and Wildlife supplies demographics of bird watching, and 15% of the lowest quintile of earners participates, and this percentage does increase.  However, when compared to other activities, this percentage is more evenly spread across incomes.

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Your venom is wasted ;-) (0.00 / 0)
First, I'd call shenanigans on a report from a government department that supports it getting greater funding.  Conflict of interest at it's core.  Do you have any independent studies to support your claims???

Secondly, the crux of my argument against your liberal snobbery is valid regardless.  The article frames those who vote against higher taxes as low brow nu-enlightened folks now reaping the terrible whirlwind of lost essential services.

The fact remains that most could give two poops about a bird conservatory.  If they did care it would be an issue in other places besides this blog.

And if you TRULY believe that a SIXTH of the American population are active bird watchers your delusion is far beyond anything my reason can counter.

Hi. I'm Charles.  I worked my way from homelessness to a business owner.  Be what you have it in you to be!


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im glad u mentioned sen tony strickland... (0.00 / 0)
...and his "family values."  see tony is now in the state senate & his old lady-i believe her name is audra/audry or something like that-is in his old assembly seat.  that is SO awesome-i LOVE those "values." just like with sharon runner & her old man george runner.  they have all HAD IT with big govt, out of control taxes & spending, etc etc.  and they really have had it with tax & spend-they prefer tax cuts & borrowing instead.  i bet eventually tony & his family & their "values" will relocate to sacramento where theyll seek a coveted seat in congress.  the land of no term limits. and they can bitch & whine about theyve had it with govt & burdensome regulations, etc etc.  see dan lungren, tom mcclintock, etc. if u dont believe me.  : ) lol

The bird sanctuary was one of many public amenities this state used to enjoy. (5.00 / 1)
No different from public beaches, swimming pools, zoos, parks, campgrounds, branch libraries, historical sites, etc. Their cost is trivial compared to the monies spent on transportation, schools, universities, state water systems, etc.

The Tea Puppets would like to take us back to the days when such amenities were "gifts" from Rockefellers and Carnegies.

But history shows that all those "endowed" institutions eventually transferred to public ownership. Why? Because the public liked them and used them. Even those who didn't used them were proud to live in a community that had them.

It was only after desegregation came to California that half the taxpayers suddenly lost interest in funding public amenities. Prop-13 rode in on the tail of the big school busing battles in L.A. County in the '70's. It's been a curse on this state ever since.


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