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Why Republicans Really Wouldn't Compromise

by: OC Progressive

Thu Mar 31, 2011 at 11:43:21 AM PDT


And no, it's not their fear of seeing their heads on a stick. And don't believe that the ransom list had anything to do with their real issues. Restoring 23 million in cuts to rural state fairs? Please.

Republicans never wanted to agree to pension reform because it was the only single issue where the public agrees with them.

If Republicans were at all serious abut solving problems, they would have jumped at the deal that Jerry Brown had negotiated.

There was a  significant package of reforms agreed to by the Brown Administration that would have made a huge dent in California's pensions problem. And let's make it clear that there is no crisis but there are some serious problems, particularly with the unsustainable costs of public safety pensions for local governments.

OC Progressive :: Why Republicans Really Wouldn't Compromise
The package that Brown had agreed to would have made major progress towards reducing long-term pension costs and bringing some of the worst-hit pension funds into balance quickly. Judging from the Republicans' release of their ransom demands, here are the pension areas where there was agreement;

o No purchases of Air-Time (Admin: OK)
o Highest 5-year average. (Admin: Highest 3 year average, with CalSTRS exception for 25 years of service)
o Base pay [salary only - no vacation, overtime, car allowance, uniform allowance, etc.] used for determining final retirement benefits. (Admin: Base benefits on regular, recurring pay)
o No Double-Dipping /Revolving Door (Admin: Allow retired annuitants (cost effective for state), but forbid drawing a full-time salary and a pension from the same employer).
o Cap Final pension amount (Admin: Ok w/Cap of $106K w/COLA - same as Social Security - and additional 12.4% for non-SS employees.)

The biggest of these, if applied statewide, would be the use of regular recurring pay without overtime in calculating pensions rather than adding in overtime. A pension cap would also save real money, and move higher-paid employees into a hybrid plan if they wanted to maintain their income in retirement. Rank and file workers and teachers are protected. Overly generous benefits for public safety come back down.

So why wouldn't Republicans agree to fix the biggest problem?

The answer is very easy. Anger about overly generous public employee pensions is the only single issue where the Republicans' messaging polls well.

Without pensions as a rallying cry, Republicans are left with a series of positions that are wildly unpopular with Californians;

   Gutting environmental regulation and increasing off shore drilling
   Bigger tax breaks for the largest corporations at the expense of small business
   Massive cut backs to public education and public safety
   Maintaining a judicial-prison-industrial complex that most Californians want to cut
   Immigrant bashing

Republicans could have eliminated the most obvious form of waste and corruption, redevelopment agencies and enterprise zones. While both of these have supporters, and occasionally have great results, they are tremendously inefficient and frequently just result in a race between cities as to who can come up with the worst deal for taxpayers as they scramble to lure big box retailers, auto malls, the hotels near convention centers, and businesses located in nearby cities.

The savings that local governments would have had on pension reforms would have more than made up for any of their losses from new pet redevelopment projects.

Cynical Republican politicians have never wanted to eliminate waste or corruption or reform pensions. They only want to be able to win enough elections to exercise a minority veto power over what most Californians want.

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Why not just pass those without republicans? (0.00 / 0)
Those reforms sound quite good to me (actually highest 3 years sounds rather too good).  Why don't the Democrats just pass them?

Actually I think what the democrats should have done from the beginning is make up two budgets.  A budget that includes some new revenue and a budget that guts programs that go to republican districts and interests.  The first one needs a 2/3 majority.  The second doesn't.

A 2/3 majority is no longer needed to pass a budget.  The republicans can be thrown to the sharks if they won't approve the 2/3 budget.


It's probably the basic political problem... (0.00 / 0)
If the Reeps agree to a pension reform package, then the issue is necessarily off the table. It would be deemed "sufficient" to address the "problem" since it was a bipartisan agreement.

If passed by Dems only, no matter how draconian the cutback Reeps will just say "the Dems aren't serious about pension reform" and try to keep the issue alive.


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Implement good policy then campaign on that. (0.00 / 0)
I don't care much what republicans will claim.  When there is a good and popular policy available democrats should implement it.

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I'm not saying don't do anything... (0.00 / 0)
Just that it explains why the Reeps won't actually bargain and why doing it alone is not nearly as effective politically. The average voter doesn't pay nearly enough attention and the media lives to just keep telling stories about Sac bickering. Trust me we will still continue to get fed endless stories about pension reform as long as the Reeps keep whining about it.

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the average voter (0.00 / 0)
I think the average... ok well above average voter who actually pays any attention to news... reads about the odd public employee who ends up with a $200k+ a year pension and is upset about it, often generalizes it unrealistically, and sometimes votes on that distorted reality.

If step one of that process weren't 100% true the whole chain would far less often happen.

Plus it is really a bad policy.

The republicans won't bargain because the 2/3 majority and structure of long term law means they don't need to bargain to get what they want (all cuts), particularly when the democrats won't play hardball (target their constituents).

By refusing to negotiate in good faith with the majority to get a 2/3 budget the republican representatives have decided that preventing tax increases or extensions is more important than a voice in the budget process.  Democrats need to make that lack of voice a factor.  There are surely many ways that could be done and quite possibly it is wrong/dumb to go too far or too quickly.

Maybe it ought to be slowly ratcheted up year after year?


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Gutting programs in Republican districts only hurts the poor people who live there (0.00 / 0)
It's well known that the state's rural "red" counties refuse to tax themselves for basic lifeline social services. They depend on handouts from Sacramento to fund elder-care, public schools, emergency rooms, etc.

Republican financial "interests" consist of lower taxes on the rich, lower fees on polluters, less regulation on business, and maybe vouchers for kids who attend religious schools.

Taxes are a non-starter without the 2/3 and the legislature can no longer adjust fees without 2/3, thanks to Prop-26.

But perhaps the current round of social spending cuts will be felt in the 'Pubs districts.


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Defunding Republican Districts (0.00 / 0)
What You want to do is to not fund any projects in Republican areas, Would It be fair? No, Would people howl at Democrats? Yes, So please drop It, We don't need knuckle-dragging-troglodytes gaining any new members. While I'd like to do this Myself, Even though I live in a Republican District Myself, I'd rather take the high road and let the Republican Party take the low road instead.

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Not so strict (0.00 / 0)
I sketched out a rather severe version.  It could be much more mild.

The main point is that republicans are needed for the 2/3 budget.  They should have no input into the 1/2 majority budget if they won't pass a 2/3 one.  Their choice.  The two budgets should be made up in parallel, however, so the choice is obvious.

Quite possibly only a few percent of the budget could/should be so targeted.  Oh well.

It also might be much better to do it more indirectly.

For example the transferal of responsibility for providing services back to local governments is an opportunity to make republican areas live with their shortsighted cuts or raise their own taxes.


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AMEN (0.00 / 0)
Agreed
This is like charlie Brown trying to kick off while Lucy is holding the football

Ther Republicans are just trying to stall and side track the budget process
They DON'T WANT Pension Reform.... They want an ISSUE to run on
Let's do a Demcoratic fix,  Democrats, ONLY


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This is what the GOP has done for years (0.00 / 0)
They haven't held a majority in the Assembly in a long time. So they hold up revenue bills, and before that the budget too, to get what they can't pass any other way. They've done it for years. They're doing it now. And I really can't understand why anybody is surprised at this. I expected it.

It's blackmail, extortion, and subverts the will of the people. But that hasn't bothered Republicans in a long time. Look at Wisconsin.


I Agree (0.00 / 0)
Many Republicans counted on getting services to their districts without ever casting a vote for a budget because of the 2/3 rule. Now their districts should get what their representative votes for- nothing! Maybe the voters in those districts will begin to reconnect the link between taxes and services.

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I live in a Republican District (4.00 / 1)
I'm very poor, With holding services is wrong, As It violates the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution, Which being the law of the land, Is final. Oh and I'm a Disabled Person and yes a Democrat, Not a DTS...

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I live in an R district too (5.00 / 1)
I live in an R district in Northern San Diego County. I have had no representation in the Legislature for the entire 15 years I have lived here. Neither my Assemblyman or State Senator has ever voted for a budget during that time. I am a Democrat as well. I would hate to see services cut in my area, but people will not stop voting for the knuckle-draggers until it adversely effects their lives. Equal protection requires that criterea for awarding services be equal. It does not require that access to those services be equally convenient. That is why people who live in Blythe have to go to Palm Springs or even Riverside to get access to some of their services. The convenience factor is political.

De-funding services in republican areas would mean that projects don't get built and access to State administered services would become more difficult. It means that people might have to travel further to get access during less convenient hours. It would mean that expenses were higher for business people as they would find approval for permits and licensing more difficult.

Perhaps it would not change any votes or sway any elections. But I think people will notice these things and it will change their behavior. That is the way politics works. If we are ever going to get the Republicans to come to the table and become a part of the process again, we have to create a penalty for obstructionism. We need to make them fear their voters more than Grover Norquist  


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Ok, I see Yer point n/t (0.00 / 0)


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In addition (0.00 / 0)
there are some state expenditures that go disproportionately to these representatives' districts. The loss of county fair and cooperative extension money is going to be a big wake up call to a lot of people. Will it have any effect on the Farm Bureau, who has fought against every tax on every occasion?

These are good programs. I will be personally sad if they are lost. But the pain needs to be shared.

Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!


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Tough Love (0.00 / 0)
Tough Love for Rural counties

CUT 'EM


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Farm Bureau members have a lot to lose (0.00 / 0)
Many of the small and mid-sized ranchers have gone along with the Farm Bureau because they have been indoctrinated into the anti-tax world view. In actuality, the Farm Bureau has long since become a creature of large agri-business. Corporate agriculture is one of the largest corporate welfare recipients around. What they don't receive in direct subsidy, they get in disaster relief benefits reduced crop insurance costs, water and other infrastructure projects as well as services such as fire fighting protection provided by Cal-Fire. The cooperative extension program has been one of the biggest boons to development of California agriculture as a whole.   When the extension programs as well as water and other infrastructure projects get cut in rural districts, perhaps some of the smaller farmers and ranchers will begin to look closer at the cost vs. benefits of low taxes.    

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Democrats ONLY (0.00 / 0)
DON'T NEGOTIATE with Republicans
They are Negotiating in BAD FAITH
They want to come to an agreement
They want to STALL the process

This is what happened on Health Care Reform
Obama was too dumb and too weak to realize it

Republcians want to muddy the waters
They'll keep the Pension issue alive and stall any progress

Get what you can get done with a Democratic Majority
Use Ballot initiatives to raise taxes

The Front Page story in the SF Chronicle shows that an Overwhelming majority of Calfiornians SUPPORT a 1% tax on those miaking more than $500K
Even a Maority of Republicans

Put that AND the Tax extensions on the ballot
Don't over reach, put an oil severance tax on a Future ballot, along  with ending the tax loopholes for corporations

Just DON'T TRY TO WORK WITH REPUBLICANS


I just had a thought (4.00 / 1)
If our Governor had agreed to the 53 requests, How much Ya want to bet the Repubs would have requested even more than the 53?

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