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November 2010 Statewide Endorsements

by: Calitics Editorial Board

Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 14:00:00 PM PDT


Let's get this party started!

STATEWIDE OFFICES

Governor: Jerry Brown There are two reasons to vote for Brown. The first is that Meg Whitman is a right-wing extremist who will destroy what is left of our public services and our prosperity. Her goal is to massively cut taxes on the wealthy, paid for by privatizing core public services such as schools. Whitman's California is a place without any green jobs, without mass transportation, and without meaningful economic recovery - a state where everyone is poorer so that the rich can get richer. She wants to exploit workers, especially Latinos, and does not believe undocumented students deserve to be educated. We guess they can just sit around all day doing god knows what.

The second is that Jerry Brown has shown some important signs of progressive leadership. He strongly supports AB 32, the creation of green jobs, and high speed rail. He also strongly opposes, using powerful moral language, the efforts of Meg Whitman and her right-wing allies to scapegoat and attack Latinos and immigrants. He has stood up for labor unions as being relevant and valued parts of the political process, even as he pledges to cut their pensions - we don't agree with those cuts, but at least Brown treats it as a policy issue and not as a "unions are villains" issue.

Calitics is well aware of Brown's shortcomings. He is not progressive enough on law-and-order issues and tends to reinforce anti-tax frames. We can expect to have some pitched battles with him as governor, just as progressives did in the 1970s and 1980s. Still, we're better off with our opportunities for offense under Brown rather than constant defense under Whitman.

The choice is clear: with Jerry Brown, California can stop the bleeding and have a chance at fixing this state. With Meg Whitman, things will go from very bad to much worse. Give Jerry Brown a third term.

US Senator: Barbara Boxer The choice here is stark and simple: a progressive champion who fought against the war in Iraq and led the effort to pass a strong climate bill (among MANY other accomplishments) or a right-wing extremist who praises the Tea Party and defends her record of shipping tens of thousands of jobs overseas. Barbara Boxer had our back in the Senate when few others did. She deserves our support now against Carly Fiorina's radicalism. Further, if Boxer wins, it is very difficult for the Republicans to retake the US Senate, another reason to vote for Boxer and maintain the firewall.

More over the flip, including all statewide races, ballot propositions, and even the State Supreme Court retention votes.

Calitics Editorial Board :: November 2010 Statewide Endorsements

Lt. Governor: Gavin Newsom This office is not that meaningful, but it IS important that it be held by a Democrat. (Brown is in his 70's, after all.) Newsom deserves a chance to show a statewide audience what he can offer in terms of progressive leadership, and Abel Maldonado is merely waiting in the wings hoping that, if he wins and Whitman loses, he can carry on Schwarzenegger's legacy with a bid for governor himself in 2014. Screw that. Let's see what Newsom can do.

Attorney General: Kamala Harris There are a lot of reasons to vote for the current San Francisco District Attorney over her opponent, LA's right-wing District Attorney Steve Cooley. But two words should be at the top of this list: Proposition 8. Because our current AG, Jerry Brown, has refused to defend Prop 8 in court (along with Governor Arnold Schwarzengger), it is possible that Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling that Prop 8 is unconstitutional will not be appealed to the 9th Circuit Court. Steve Cooley, an opponent of LGBT rights, has vowed to defend Prop 8 in court. That not only guarantees an appeal, but by putting the considerable resources of the state of California behind the defense of Prop 8, it raises the chances that Prop 8 will be found constitutional by a higher court.

There are other reasons to support Harris - Cooley is a retrograde "law and order" type who believes in tougher sentencing laws and more prisons, and cannot be counted on to help implement Prop 19 if it passes. There's also the chance he might do something like join a lawsuit against the federal health care bill or go easy on the banks' fraudulent foreclosures. Harris, on the other hand, will stand up for Californians and their rights. She deserves our support.

Secretary of State: Debra Bowen In her first term she has cleaned up California's elections and positioned herself as a leader in the effort to make government more accessible to the people through the use of innovative new technologies and through greater citizen involvement. Add that to her progressive views and she has been an ideal Secretary of State (although we wish she were more supportive of Election Day voter registration). That alone earns her our strong support. But the fact that her opponent, Damon Dunn, is a right-wing nobody with no experience is another powerful reason to ensure Bowen gets four more years.

Treasurer: Bill Lockyer Lockyer has been a good treasurer overall, managing California through some very difficult fiscal straits. His opponent, Mimi Walters, is a right-wing rising star from Orange County who is using this race to build her statewide visibility. Lockyer hasn't been perfect - his call to privatize the UC system is something we vehemently disagree with (see note below) - but he's a far sight better than Walters, who would be an ally of the Wall Street banksters and make flawed investment decisions. Walters also cannot be relied upon to support selling infrastructure bonds at a time when rates are historically low and when we desperately need the jobs and the projects the borrowed funds would build. So we need to keep Lockyer there for four more years, while we look for a more progressive replacement.

Note: Bill Lockyer's campaign emailed Calitics to dispute this claim about the UC system and said that he never proposed privatization, and that he opposes it. They also pointed to this 2007 op-ed where Lockyer called for more funding for the UC system. That's good to hear, and merely reconfirms our endorsement of his candidacy.

Controller: John Chiang John Chiang is probably the only bona fide hero produced by the recent budget wars in Sacramento. He refused to go along with Arnold Schwarzenegger's ridiculous, reckless schemes to reduce hundreds of thousands of workers to minimum wage, and has managed the state's cash flow in a way that has generally avoided IOUs, not an easy feat. Chiang is a progressive rising star, and he deserves four more years.

Insurance Commissioner: Dave Jones: Dave Jones is a solid progressive who has been a champion of consumers during his time in the Assembly.  The insurance commissioner doesn't necessarily do what you would expect it to do, namely, it doesn't directly regulate most health care insurance. The Department of Managed Care does that.  That being said, Jones will bring solid understanding of the failings of our current health care system, and will work with the state and federal government to at least make incremental change.  He will also continue to stand up for consumers in the other major insurance industries. His opponent, Mike Villines, is a right-winger that is out of touch with the state and in the pocket of the industry he proposes to regulate.  The choice here is clear: Dave Jones will be a big upgrade over outgoing InsComm Steve Poizner.

Superintendent of Public Instruction: Tom Torlakson If you believe that the problem with public schools lies with its teachers, and that hedge funds and billionaires should be given more control over K-12 education, then vote for Larry Aceves. If you, like most other Californians, believe that most teachers do a wonderful job and deserve more support, more resources, and not more right-wing pseudo-reforms, vote for Tom Torlakson. Torlakson bucked his party to vote against the Race to the Top scam and understands that California needs to bring parents, teachers, students, and the community together to improve our schools, rather than ram unwanted right-wing policies down people's throats. This is a very important race for the future of education in California, and it's important that Torlakson wins it.

State Supreme Court retention - Tani Cantil-Sakauye: no recommendation Voters are asked every 12 years whether to retain State Supreme Court justices. In this case, voters are being asked whether to confirm Tani Cantil-Sakauye, Arnold Schwarzenegger's pick to replace Chief Justice Ron George. Cantil-Sakauye is seen as an uncontroversial judge, but then again she IS Arnold Schwarzenegger's pick, and he is not likely to pick anyone but a judge who shares his views on corporate power. If you think Jerry Brown can pick a better chief justice, vote no; if you think Canti-Sakauye is fine and/or you worry that Meg Whitman will win and pick someone worse, vote yes.

State Supreme Court retention - Ming Chin: NO Chin was in the minority on the 4-3 In re: Marriage Cases decision in 2008, meaning he voted to uphold the state's ban on marriage equality. Chin again opposed marriage equality in May 2009, joining the majority that upheld Prop 8. Chin has been one of the most right-wing justices on the state Supreme Court. Californians can and should have better justices than this, ones who will uphold the equal rights of ALL Californians.

State Supreme Court retention - Carlos Moreno: YES In contrast to Chin, Justice Carlos Moreno has been a strong advocate for judicial recognition of equal rights. In addition to his vote to overturn the marriage ban in In re: Marriage Cases and he was the only justice to vote to overturn Prop 8 at the State Supreme Court, passionately arguing against enshrining discrimination in the state Constitution. Beyond Prop 8, Moreno has been a reliable vote for equality in other cases in his 9 years on the bench, and deserves to be retained.

STATEWIDE PROPOSITIONS

Prop 19: YES The war on drugs has failed. Prohibition is not a sensible way to deal with marijuana. It's time we accepted reality and made marijuana legal for Californians over age 21. Prop 19 is a long overdue reform to our drug laws, getting nonviolent offenders out of prison, and potentially saving state and local governments billions of dollars in the process, enabling them to focus on real criminal problems (like gangs) while also dealing a huge blow to the drug cartels.

Some may quibble with the wording of Prop 19. But any possible problems can be fixed by the state legislature. Prop 19 does NOT tie the hands of the legislature; all it says is that future legislative action can only be in the direction of making sure cannabis is legal for adult Californians. Tom Ammiano already has a bill proposed to provide statewide regulation of cannabis pursuant to Prop 19. More importantly, Prop 19 signals to the legislature that the public will no longer accept Prohibition as an answer to cannabis, and instead demands it be treated within the same kind of regulatory framework as alcohol and tobacco. Prop 19 deserves your vote.

Prop 20: NO This is a siren song to progressives, who would do well to make like Odysseus and plug their ears. When a right-wing billionaire like Charles Munger, Jr. puts a proposition on the ballot to give an unelected commission where Republicans have more seats than they deserve (given the proportion of voter registration in the state) the power to redraw Congressional district lines, progressives should run away as fast as they can. This proposition has one purpose only: to undermine progressive Democrats in Congress by making them defend seats in California instead of playing offense elsewhere. If you want to hand power to conservatives, Prop 20 is for you. If you want to support progressives, join us and vote no.

Prop 21: YES This is as sensible a ballot proposition as we've ever seen. It increases the vehicle license fee by a mere $18/year, and in return Californians get to protect and improve their state parks, ensuring they remain open and that the maintenance backlog is finally address - as well as giving all Californians access to all state parks and beaches free of charge. Some people whine about "ballot box budgeting" but here's the problem: as long as the 2/3rds rule exists for budget and taxes, the legislature will remain incapable of producing good budgets, and voters will have to step in from time to time to protect our priorities. Further, Prop 21 actually helps the general fund by freeing up hundreds of millions of dollars each year to fund other programs, since the state parks will now have their own funding source. This is also a smart way to show Californians that spending money for public services is a good idea, since they'll get to see and enjoy the fruits of their $18/year VLF increase. Prop 21 deserves your yes vote.

Prop 22: no recommendation Prop 22 would permanently end the raids on local government funds, as well as force an immediate repayment to local governments of the money they're owed. This may seem straightforward, but it poses a difficult choice for progressives, and Calitics is split on whether it deserves support.

The argument for Prop 22 is this: raids on local government funds have dealt a huge blow to progressives as well as to public trust in government. Cities and counties have been forced to make crippling cuts to public services because of these raids, which fuel the belief that the state's budget crisis is a result of government incompetence and not the result of problems in Sacramento such as the 2/3rds rule or a lack of taxation on the rich. These raids have also helped fuel backlash at public pensions, and generally have made it harder to make a progressive case for government.

The argument against Prop 22 is this: it would force an immediate repayment to these local governments out of the general fund, which would force further cuts to schools and health care services. Redevelopment agencies also get their money back, and it's hard to justify that given the state's ongoing budget mess.

Prop 23: NO By now you should know the story here. Texas oil companies and the notorious Koch Brothers are funding this proposition, which would effectively repeal AB 32, the state's global warming law. It would destroy our green jobs economy in order to give more money to oil companies, and it would stop us from being able to do anything about climate change. Worse, it would send a national signal that voters don't want to do anything about global warming, that we all want to go down with the ship as sea levels rise, as droughts become more common, and as whole industries shrivel up and die. It is extremely important that Prop 23 be defeated. California's future depends on it.

Prop 24: YES During the 2008 and 2009 budget deals, Republicans leveraged the 2/3rds rule to demand and win the creation of huge new tax loopholes for large corporations that will total about $2 billion a year. If you think that giving corporations a tax cut is more important than keeping teachers in the classroom or ensuring poor children have health care, then vote no. If you don't, and if you believe that schools and health care services matter more than letting the rich get richer, join us and vote yes on Prop 24.

Prop 25: YES The most important reform to the government of California - the tree blocking the tracks - is eliminating the 2/3rds rule for budget and taxes. Prop 25 gets us part of the way there by restoring majority rule on the budget, and leaving the 2/3rds rule in place for taxes. Big corporations like Chevron and Safeway have been spending millions to try to defeat it, preferring to let Republicans keep holding up the budget and making demands like the creation of the tax loopholes Prop 24 would close. It would also be another way of protecting AB 32 - in 2008 and 2009 Republicans initially demanded the gutting of AB 32 in return for their votes for a budget. It's time to end the Sacramento hostage crisis and start fixing our state government by voting yes on Prop 25.

Prop 26: NO This is one of the sneakiest propositions on the ballot. Prop 26 would create a new 2/3rds rule, taking us in the wrong direction by requiring a 2/3rds vote to increase any fee. This is sneaky because it's an attack on AB 32, which depends on these fees to fund state efforts to reduce carbon emissions. Prop 26 would retroactively eliminate any fee enacted after January 1, 2010, which includes the AB 32 implementation fees on polluters. It's just as important that we defeat Prop 26 as it is that we defeat Prop 23.

Prop 27: YES Prop 27 would eliminate the unelected redistricting commission created by Prop 11 two years ago to redraw state legislative district boundaries. Prop 11 very narrowly passed, suggesting that many Californians are skeptical of this commission and worry about what kind of boundaries it will draw. And they should be skeptical - the commission gives an unfair advantage to Republicans by giving them equal representation with Democrats, even though there are significantly more registered Democrats in the state than Republicans.

Some may criticize legislative redistricting. But that doesn't mean any old reform is a good reform. The commission will make matters worse while not doing anything to help fix state government, since redistricting is not a cause of any of the problems in Sacramento. Vote yes on Prop 27 and provide a better set of solutions to how we draw district lines.

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Disagree about Prop 27 (3.50 / 4)
Its really conflict of interest to have the state legislatures draw their own districts, and the arguments for this prop. are nonsense. I agree with every other endorsement here though.

How so? (4.50 / 4)
Most legislators will maybe benefit from this in only one or two elections. Term limits mean that it's people who aren't in the legislature at all who will be using these boundaries between now and 2020.

California has a LOT of serious problems. Redistricting isn't even in the top 500.

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There's a reason the League of Women Voters, the NAACP, AARP and EVERY major newspaper endorsed Yes 20, NO 27 (3.50 / 2)
It's not about benefits to individuals legislators, it's about the party drawing safe seats so we don't have competitive elections. See my other posts on why competitive elections are a good thing.

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uh, no (4.50 / 2)
Opposing prop 20: League of Women Voters


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You're right (3.00 / 1)
They split, No on 20, No on 27. The only problem is, if both pass, the one with more votes wins. From an electoral strategy, if you just want to keep the commission as is, you should not vote on 20 and vote No on 27.  

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You think there'll be competitive elections? (3.75 / 4)
I'm guessing you missed the last 20 years, where Californians have increasingly self-segregated into communities of similar interests. There are large parts of the state where you're not going to ever have competitive races because voters all agree on the desired party in power. There are hell of a lot of competitive primaries, but apparently you have some bizarre notion that the only legitimate form of "competition" is some two-party competition.

Most observers think the Prop 11 commission will only be able to create a very few competitive districts. The rest will remain pretty much the same.

If you truly wanted competitive elections - and you still need to define why that matters more than Californians' political will being expressed (if SF wants to constantly elect Democrats, isn't that their right?) - then you wouldn't be wasting your time on redistricting but would instead be backing much more fundamental reforms, like proportional representation or multi-member districts. Instead you're just prattling on about some nonsense you read in the newspaper.

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MMD (4.00 / 1)
  You can gerrymander multi-member districts more easily than single member districts.  A better way of drawing
districts is to draw them so that groups in the electorate are "pivotal" in proportion to their size in the population (districts represent people, not registered voters).  This would tend to shift power towards minorities and the poor, but it would make sense from a political theory standpoint, which teaches that pivotal members in a representative body tend to get disproportionate rewards.

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What is the point of elections? (4.00 / 2)
why competitive elections are a good thing.

The only good election is one where the results reflect the views of the electorate.  If that means electing the incumbent, so be it.  

For example, I like the work Barbara Boxer has done, and I will vote for her.  It doesn't matter to me if she's been elected once or 100 times.  She represents me well.  She's earned by vote.  


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But, an even WORSE conflict is.... (3.67 / 3)
Yes, I agree, it IS really conflict of interest to have the state legislatures draw their own districts.

But think about it: it's an even WORSE conflict to have the party who FAILED to get elected at the table, replacing a portion of the legislature party's representatives.

There's probably a good-gov't way to go about this, but I rate the legislator-mapping as "bad" and the "wish I were legislating" program as worse !


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all good recommendations INCLUDING yes on prop 27 (3.00 / 2)
in every case you can make your decision by looking at the dollars backing the various positions.

if you want to support Republicans and Republican outcomes, then voter no on prop 27 -- because that's who is supporting the no position, a Democrat is supporting the YES position.

it really is that simple, money doesn't lie


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My favorite argument for prop 27 (and why it's full of crap) (2.67 / 3)
The fact is that the independent commission is of exactly the same style we use for every "independent commission" (equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans)

The greatest argument I saw online (and can't find for the life of me) goes something like this: "The commission over-represents Republicans given the political demographics of the state, and why should California go first in such a process? After Texas does this, then let's consider it."

So A) The commission would be unrepresentative by making the two parties equal but B) It's not a bad idea as long as the Red states do the same thing first.

The fact is that Prop 20 and 27 come down to numbers. Gerrymandered districts give Democrats a greater number of seats than if the lines were drawn by a group uninterested in which party "wins out" from the process. That's why party Democrats don't like it and Republicans do.

If this exact same measure was on the ballot in Texas, the Democrats would be for it and the Republicans would be against it.

We will lose seats because of fair redistricting. That's the hard truth. We can either continue to use our political majority to play politics with fair elections, or:

We can remember what made us progressives in the first place! We believe in GOOD government rather than just government that's good for us. At least, that's how I define a true progressive.

Yes on 27 is a cheap political trick to retain as many seats as possible at the cost of good government, and any Democrat who's not willing to admit that is simply lying to you.

We're asking voters to Vote No on 23 to show California can lead on tough issues like Climate Change. We can do the exactly same thing with redistricting reform. So when you vote, ask yourself this: Are you willing to do what's hard in order to do what's right?

If so, vote Yes on 20 and NO on 27.


I will give you the same arguments (3.50 / 4)
I gave "duder", which he ignored.  Unless you can deal with them, I'm going to peg you as an equally vacuous self-congratulatory goo-goo.  

http://calitics.com/showCommen...

Man, I get tired of commenters spouting the same straw-man talking points over and over again, and I have no use at all for "fair process" progressives who wonder why substantive outcomes are bad after they've given up every tool that they could actually use to get good substantive outcomes.


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We do have term limits: They're called elections! (3.00 / 4)
Again, the "right thing" is actual substantive outcomes, not something that makes you feel good.  If Prop 20 reduces the number of Dems in the California delegation, while Republican-controlled states stay gerrymandered, then the substantive good outcomes become less likely, and substantive bad outcomes become more likely.  As weak as the Dems are, they are not as bad as the Republicans.

So, you go ahead and feel good about siding with a Republican who wants better outcomes for Republicans, because I'm pretty sure you're either pissing in the wind, or actually helping to screw over real working people.  I'm treating you like you're acting in good faith here, but it's very hard to do when you spout that deliberately deceptive "212 elections" talking point.

The longer version of that West Wing quote is "We better have term limits, 'cause voters can't be trusted to recognize corruption. Oh, and by the way... when the playing field is level and the process is fair and open, it turns out we have term limits: They're called elections."

The deal that failed and failed and failed, which finally prompted the backers of 11 to put it on the ballot, was that we'd get term limits reform in exchange for redistricting reform. I can cite evidence of this if you want.

You're absolutely right: when we have fewer seats it becomes harder to get what we want in the short term. The thing about election reform is that you have to think long term, or everything becomes about who makes out better in the next eight years.

Fair districts mean more competitive elections for Democrats in a state where we usually don't have to spend much money defending our majority. That's a substantive bad outcome for our Democratic prospects nationally.

Fair districts mean, according to most redistricting experts and based on historical evidence, that we'll lose seats in the house to Republicans. That's a substantive bad outcome for our Democratic prospects nationally.

I just had to watch us fail to pass DADT repeal in the Senate. It was painful knowing that if we had just one more seat, it would have been done. I know that reform has a real cost.

The difference between us is that for me, long term the process is more important than the outcome. I want us to win, I want us to win badly. But to use a baseball analogy, I'm willing to give up steroid use unilaterally because it makes the game more honest and we can still win without it.

I want us to pass Prop 20 for the same reason I want us to pass Prop 25. It will make our government better. Competitive elections are good for the state and the country, but the legislative process has to match.

Whomever is in the majority should be able to pass whatever they want. That's how it works in almost every other state, and they get their budgets done on time.

But asking voters for that power out of one side of our mouth, and saying we won't make the process fair to all of them, means we are very, very unlikely to ever get them to support a majority vote for all aspects of the budget.

Based on voter registration, we don't need very many Republican voters to pass majority vote for tax increases. We just need to convince DTS that it's about making government work better; just like when we passed prop 20 and prop 25.


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Thanks. (3.50 / 4)
I now know what I need to know.  The only argument you bothered to deal with was the one that you could pivot off of to go to the sanctimonious goo-goo place.

By your logic, Dems should also:

- stop taking money from private donors (because public funding would be a good thing)

- stop campaigning on TV (because we can all agree that TV ads actually distort the process by reducing everything to meaningless sound bites

- Not run hard-hitting negative ads (because we can all agree that lowers the level of the discourse).

And this doesn't even begin to deal with the systemic effects of "competitive districts" in the current big-money-wins environment.  I really have no patience for "progressives" who think that THIS ersatz reform is the one to get, because it's labeled "reform" and it's "gettable" -- that THIS ersatz reform will reduce some kind of "corruption".  It will either do nothing, or it will do substantive harm to both substantive outcomes and the real corruption that is money in politics.    


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You're talking about what the Dems should do, I'm talking about what the STATE should do (4.00 / 1)
By your logic, Dems should also:

- stop taking money from private donors (because public funding would be a good thing)

No, we should pass public financing because public financing would be a good thing. Until then we should play by the rules.

- stop campaigning on TV (because we can all agree that TV ads actually distort the process by reducing everything to meaningless sound bites

Again, TV ads are legal and effective ways to reach most voters who otherwise wouldn't pay attention.

- Not run hard-hitting negative ads (because we can all agree that lowers the level of the discourse).

Maybe it does, but it's the price we pay for free speech. Even if we passed campaign finance, I'd be against limiting what people could say in their ads.

And this doesn't even begin to deal with the systemic effects of "competitive districts" in the current big-money-wins environment.

Meg Whitman has spent $120 Million dollars trying to buy this election. It hasn't worked. If you actually look at the numbers, we win when our messages are good and we have candidates who can get people behind them.

Yes, we would probably spend more money on politics, but given that more and more people are turning to the web for their news and entertainment, I think the end result of more competitive districts would be more engaging elections for voters, not more "bought" seats.

People show up to vote when there's a competitive election. That's a good thing for democracy, and a good thing for Democrats in California.  


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Absurd rebuttal (2.33 / 3)
You are missing the point.

Those are tactics which are narrow and singular in scope (campaign specific.) As are issues of corruption

The Prop. 20 argument is fundamental and points to the philosophy of how government (state and national) are running.


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Well said, even though I expect you'll be villified in the response. (2.00 / 2)


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Independent Commission is essential (3.80 / 5)
Allowing legislators to draw district lines to prevent difficult elections is undemocratic.  The No-20/Yes 27 arguments remind me of a pitcher who continues to walk batters to preserve a no-hitter.  He is seeking some personal gain, at great cost to the overall goals.

We want a functioning democracy with a healthy exchange and a full testing of ideas in a fair election process.  Sometimes we are going to benefit from that--sometimes we won't.  

Once we get rid of the crazy 2/3 vote for the budget, winning seats through unfair apportionment of seats will be easier to digest.  

PS: I couldn't care less what Texas does.


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essential -- for Republicans (3.67 / 3)
the Republican party has developed a cadre of experts who game goo-goo commissions to get results beneficial to Republicans (this is what happened to the commission created by a proposition promoted by Democrats in Arizona and then was manipulated by the Republican consultants they hired to draw a district that provided even safer Republican districts).

I imagine this will shock your goo-goo heart -- but Republicans are not supporting prop 20 and opposing prop 27 in the interest of good government.  They are doing it to blunt the power of the majority party in California -- the Democrats and to advance the power of the Republican party.  

if you think in some nebulous "long term" this will lead to good government -- I've got 30 years of Reaganite history that says that ain't gonna happen.  If you don't play the game to win now -- you lose now and you lose in the future.


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Best analogy ever (2.67 / 3)
The No-20/Yes 27 arguments remind me of a pitcher who continues to walk batters to preserve a no-hitter.  He is seeking some personal gain, at great cost to the overall goals.

Maybe Roy Halladay can break the post-season record that way...

GO GIANTS!


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There's nothing undemocratic about it (4.00 / 1)
Because those legislators drawing districts were elected by the people. It is in fact "undemocratic" to have an unelected commission draw those lines.

Further, Prop 20 addresses a problem that does not exist. Members of Congress are not in fact "drawing their own districts" since it is, after all, the state legislature that currently draws those borders.

The logic sure is flying around here tonight...

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Must be the New Logic (2.50 / 2)
Saying there is nothing undemocratic about a process where legislators from gerrymandered districts draw their own lines is truly a leap of logic.

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What part of this do you not get? (4.00 / 2)
1. It is democratic to have the people voters elected to the legislature draw the lines. It would also be democratic to have a commission that voters elect draw those lines. It is the dictionary definition of "undemocratic" to have people who were not elected by anyone - i.e. the Prop 11 commission - draw the lines.

2. When it comes to Prop 20 and Congress, nobody is "drawing their own lines" - because state legislators draw the lines for members of Congress.

You keep using that word, "undemocratic." It does not mean what you think it means.

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We agree for the most part - but please get off your high horse for a second (3.50 / 2)
I agree that Prop 11 is undemocratic.  Nobody claimed otherwise.  However to say that there is nothing undemocratic about a process where electeds from gerrymandered districts draw their own lines is disingenuous.

Yes, I do know that congress doesn't draw their own lines, but I live in a congressional district that includes the inland empire and San-fricken-Clemente.  How does that make any sense?

Even with Prop 11 there will be some safe seats because, as you say, some self-segregation has taken place.  I agree with that.  But I think that competitive districts are better for liberals, not worse.  I think there's a better chance that we will have more competitive races with a commission drawing the boundaries.



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Gerrymandered? (0.00 / 0)
You claim they are gerrymandered to keep the congressmen and congresswomen in office.  Here's a map.  Tell me what districts are so gerrymandered:

http://www.govtrack.us/congres...


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Um...1 through 53 (3.00 / 1)
Ha Ha.

No, seriously, CA-44 for starters.  I live in Riverside.  We have nothing in common with San Clemente, yet we are in the same district.  How about CA-49?  It includes Temecula, but not Murrieta.  Murrieta is in CA-45, along with the Coachella Valley and Moreno Valley.  The only thing the Coachella Valley and Moreno Valley have in common is the word "valley."

How about CA-46 which includes Huntington Beach, Seal Beach and Palos Verdes Estates, but not San Pedro or Long Beach (except for the port)?  38, 39, and 40 are real doozies.  Shall I go on??


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How do you know? (4.00 / 3)
Remember that the VRA requires certain boundaries already, and there are a number of additional criteria for drawing district boundaries.  Every funny-looking district is not necessarily gerrymandered.

I love how "progressives" want to give up every tool that they have for good substantive outcomes without even thinking about the systemic effects of the "gettable" "reforms" because "process changes are for the common good", and then they'll be shocked, shocked I tell you, that they continually get their asses kicked.

It really is true -- a liberal is someone who won't take their own side in a fight.


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VRA? (0.00 / 0)
Including wealthy communities along the coast in CD-44 has nothing to do with VRA.

[ Parent ]
44/49 (4.00 / 1)
So, what do you suggest?  Swapping the Orange area of 44 with the Riverside area of 49 doesn't change the final results.  

And as for gerrymandering, they don't even look that bad to me.  If you want gerrymandering, look at the North Carolina 12th, or the highly detailed gerrymandering around Austin, Texas.


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I'd be happy (0.00 / 0)
I'd be happy enough if CA-44 was just on one side of the mountains.  

The IE was basically abandoned by the Democrats in the last reapportionment.  I know that sounds inflammatory, but it's true.  We had decent candidates who asked for party assistance, and the party said no way, because it was an unwinnable district.  So the decent candidates didn't run, and instead we had only token candidates running for assembly and congress.  In 2008 we didn't even have a candidate for AD-64.  Talk about a missed opportunity!

I don't want to see that happen again, but based on the last 2 reapportionments, I could only conclude that the Democrats would abandon this area again, which is why I supported Prop 11.

As a compromise, I'd vote No on 20 and 27.  Let's give the Prop 11 commission a chance with the state house, but not gamble on congress.  That's a reasonable compromise to me.

Yeah, I'm sure there are worse examples, as you point out, but that doesn't make me feel any better about how things have been out here for the last 20 years, and it hasn't been good for Sacramento either.  The most rabid anti-government legislators came from this area thanks to these lousy districts (and yes, I know I'm talking about the state house when we were talking about congress).

Again, I think we win if we have a real contest.  Why are we afraid of having that fight?  Holding onto a lead is a recipe for disaster in the long run.  You have to venture into enemy territory sometime if you're going to win.


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Except for Bill Hedrick and Jose Medina, of course! (0.00 / 0)
I meant to say that we only had token candidates until Bill Hedrick ran for CD-44 in 2008 (which he nearly won, no thanks to the Democratic Party), and he is scaring the pants off of the republican incumbent again in 2010.  We also have a great candidate for AD-64, finally, in Jose Medina.


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Too clever by a half. (2.33 / 3)
The problem I see in the districting is that they are drawn to ensure that a party stays in power with minimum effort.

People more versed in the evils of Gerrymandering could expand in a more thoughtful way.

But the party in question is common to both state and national elections. It's folly to suggest they don't have a common interest in maintaining their easy elections.


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This is why your position is absurd (4.00 / 3)
Unless there is massive gerrymandering to benefit Republicans, Democrats will hold the majority in the state legislature. Californians simply want it that way. Democrats have been in power in the legislature since 1970 (with a short spell of GOP control of the Assembly by 1 or 2 votes in the mid-'90s) because voters have repeatedly chosen them.

The issue with the Prop 11 commission is that it will reduce the number of Democrats, pulling us further away from 2/3rds, and forcing Dems to play defense instead of offense.

The issue with Prop 20 isn't that it will suddenly flip the CA Congressional delegation to red, it won't. But it will force Dems to play unnecessary defense here, sucking away money from other fights in other states. Further, in a situation where control of the House is within a few seats, losing blue CA seats can make the difference between Speaker Pelosi and Speaker Boehner.

You need to realize that the effect of Prop 20 is to help Republicans. So it's well worth asking why you want to undermine progressive Democrats in this way.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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Yes, I don't see it like that (3.50 / 2)
To me that's a false argument, we're never going to get to 2/3rds with the legislatures redistricting themselves.

But I appreciate your explaination.

To me, the problem is more fundamental and I'm not concerned (nor are you, I presume) that there will be massive Republican gerrymandering.

My problem remains with the fact that there is Gerrymandering right now. I know it's to the benefit of progressives, but it's not, in my opinion, in the greater good.

Yes, there may be short term losses. But there could be short term gains, where deep red districts become more purple. Causing Republicans to spend money where they didn't before. There could also be more moderate republicans state officials who are more partial to reasonable budget resolutions.


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We've had 200 years of gerrymandering (4.00 / 1)
I live in SD-15, one of the most egregious gerrymanders in the state. It's annoying, but it's just not a top priority when it comes to dealing with fixing our state's government. I'm serious when I say it's not even in the top 500 list of things we need to fix.

And in fact, the way the districts were drawn in 2001 has put Dems within striking distance of 2/3 majorities. We're 2 seats away in the Senate and 4 away in the Assembly. Democratic hesitation to fight for those 4 additional Assembly seats is the reason why we don't have it there - to their credit, the Senate Democrats went all-out for John Laird over the summer in SD-15 and are backing Anna Caballero in SD-12. Both, by the way, are majority Democratic districts, which should indicate that gerrymanders don't always work out as planned.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


[ Parent ]
Two points in your reply... (2.50 / 2)
1.  I'm serious when I say it's not even in the top 500 list of things we need to fix.

>> So what? Why not fix it when we have the chance?

2. Both, by the way, are majority Democratic districts, which should indicate that gerrymanders don't always work out as planned.

>> Again, so what? The very fact that they were even tried is infuriating to me.

I understand the other part of your 2nd paragraph, but to me the quest for 2/3 majority is simply self-serving. If the Republicans were doing it we'd all be up in arms to say the least.

We should be better than that, IMO.


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Thank you for proving my point (5.00 / 2)
If you're not interested in getting a 2/3rds majority for Democrats, which is essential to fixing this state, then you're not really interested in progressive change.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

[ Parent ]
You're a smart guy, so i'm going to take my time with this (3.50 / 2)
Unless there is massive gerrymandering to benefit Republicans, Democrats will hold the majority in the state legislature. Californians simply want it that way. Democrats have been in power in the legislature since 1970 (with a short spell of GOP control of the Assembly by 1 or 2 votes in the mid-'90s) because voters have repeatedly chosen them.

Your argument here is its own worst enemy. If the voters repeatedly choose the Democrats to be in power, they will still do so in fair districts.

The issue with the Prop 11 commission is that it will reduce the number of Democrats, pulling us further away from 2/3rds, and forcing Dems to play defense instead of offense.

Like I've mentioned earlier, the reason this wasn't done sooner is that Democrats wanted term limits reform & redistricting reform to happen at the same time. The problem is that we failed to get it done. We were and still are in the majority. It wasn't like Prop 11 came out of nowhere.

That Prop 11 pulls us away from 2/3rds rather than away from a simple majority is a fault of the Democratic party to negotiate for a package of election reforms the Republicans would support.

The fact that the Republicans nearly took over the Assembly in 94 is proof that, when we do our job badly, if the districts are fair, it can in fact happen. Arnold got 60% of the vote in 2006, and in the last 100 years there were only 4 Democratic governors, two of whom were named Edmund J. Brown.

The state legislature has the worst approval rating ever, and we've been in power 30 years. I see two options. Start treating the voters like they actually have a choice & winning the elections because we're the better one, or have the voters pass only those reforms that hurt Democrats and help Republicans. That's pretty much what has happened over the last 30 years.

The issue with Prop 20 isn't that it will suddenly flip the CA Congressional delegation to red, it won't. But it will force Dems to play unnecessary defense here, sucking away money from other fights in other states. Further, in a situation where control of the House is within a few seats, losing blue CA seats can make the difference between Speaker Pelosi and Speaker Boehner.

You're absolutely right. Fairly redistricting congressional districts in California will reduce the number of seats we win in 2012. That's a nearly empirical fact based on what fair redistricting has done in other states.

That said, nobody wants to go first. No state is willing to implement redistricting reform on its own because it is bad numerically for the party in power, even if a nationwide effort would be good. But reforms always, always happen in that manner, state by state, as more people are willing to do the right, if uncomfortable, thing.

You need to realize that the effect of Prop 20 is to help Republicans. So it's well worth asking why you want to undermine progressive Democrats in this way.

The short term effect of Prop 20 is to help Republicans win elections in the next four election cycles. The long term effect is to improve our elections and demonstrate to other states that it can be done despite political pressure, and it's the right thing to do. California has lead the way before on progressive reforms, and despite the fact that it hurts Democrats, election reform is a progressive issue.

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We've had 200 years of gerrymandering
I live in SD-15, one of the most egregious gerrymanders in the state. It's annoying, but it's just not a top priority when it comes to dealing with fixing our state's government. I'm serious when I say it's not even in the top 500 list of things we need to fix.

We've heard this argument before when it comes to election reform measures. It's what the Republicans said about public financing, and we should be very wary about resorting to literally lifting their arguments against reform.

And in fact, the way the districts were drawn in 2001 has put Dems within striking distance of 2/3 majorities. We're 2 seats away in the Senate and 4 away in the Assembly. Democratic hesitation to fight for those 4 additional Assembly seats is the reason why we don't have it there - to their credit, the Senate Democrats went all-out for John Laird over the summer in SD-15 and are backing Anna Caballero in SD-12. Both, by the way, are majority Democratic districts, which should indicate that gerrymanders don't always work out as planned.

You can only squeeze so much juice out of a lemon. I have no doubt Democrats did the best they could to A) Get as many seats as possible while B) ensuring those in power at the time set themselves up best as possible for future races (one friend of mine mentioned Guy Houston being redistricted out of a competitive seat, only to see him move and win anyway).

It's time for us to be honest: redistricting by the legislature is incredibly beneficial to the party in power, and this is a tactical move and a tactical vote (as a friend put it) by Democrats to prevent a Republican party in California that has no interest in compromise from gaining any ground at all.

When the other party will shoot you in the back because they think it's the best way of working with you, voting against reform seems reasonable. The problem is, we have to remember that a lack of those reforms is exactly how we got here.

Fair redistricting is not the only reform required to make elections open, fair, and competitive, but it is an important step in the process. When people feel like they have control over their elections, then they can hold themselves responsible for the outcome.

When political gerrymandering demonstrates to voters that elected officials want to control the outcomes rather than voters, people stop caring, they stop voting in general elections (because it literally doesn't matter in most races), and they feel like Sacramento is out of control and they have no method of recourse. As a result, we get Prop 13 and Term Limits.

Simply put, Prop 20 is a progressive democratic reform, not a progressive Democrat's reform. If your only concern is ensuring the California Democratic Party can continue to fight for working people and promote progressive issues that help keep the California dream alive for everyone, then vote for Prop 27.

However, if you think that the democratic process is more important than a Democratic outcome, if you think that the values we pass onto our kids include the importance of democracy and not just a Democratic victory in November, if you believe in the ideal that government should accurately represent the interests of all its citizens, rather than just reflect your interests, then you should vote for redistricting reform, and vote Yes on 20 and No on 27.  


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NO on 20 and NO on 27 (4.00 / 3)
For progressives and various Democratic activists, Prop. 20 is about the most self-destructive proposition one could imagine.  

It's one thing to want an argueably independent commission to draw lines for our state's state legislature.  But to have them do it for congressional districts--when many large Republican-leanind states don't have such commissions--would be self-destructive.  Republicans in Frorida and Texas work to make sure their congressional map favors Republicans.  This means that Democratic-leaning states must counter that to make sure the oveall composition of Congress is not skewed toward Reeps.  Let's not be stupid and self-destructive while sitting on a high horse.  California is not an island when it comes to drawing congressional districts.

As far as 27 is concerned, it's going to lose!  I'm not sure it's a good idea to begin with, but we're going to have to give it a chance and hope for the best.  But let's not risk our congressional seats on this new commission.

I say a big NO on 20.  And 27, vote how you want.  It's gonna lose.  


[ Parent ]
form over substance (5.00 / 1)
"We will lose seats because of fair redistricting. "

If we lose seats, it can't possibly be fair redistricting, because we are not currently overrepresented.

"We believe in GOOD government rather than just government that's good for us."

So you think more Republicans and less Democrats means better government, government that's good for all people?

"At least, that's how I define a true progressive. "

Progressive refers to societal outcomes, not merely formal government structure that looks good on paper but has disastrous effects on the lives of real people.


[ Parent ]
Poor arguments (2.00 / 1)
Your arguments against Whitman and Villenes are weak. Whitman is not a right-winger, after all, and the main problem with her is that she has no political experience whatsoever. Electing her would be like choosing a plumber to wire your house or a neurosurgeon to operate on your feet. This notion of needing non-politicians to do the work in high political office has got to be put to bed.

Villenes is a shady character whose antics were reported on only yesterday in the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...


LT GOV position IS MEANINGFUL and EXTREMELY IMPORTANT (4.75 / 4)
LINK to this to read the official lt gov duties: http://www.calvoter.org/archiv...

Briefly, being chair on the State Lands Commission will mean that GAVIN will be there to OPPOSE off-shore oil drilling and the oil companies' continual efforts to circumbent California's environmental laws. His achievements on the environment in San Francisco have had him recognized as the "greenest mayor."

As Chair of the Commission of Economic Development, Gavin would have a direct impact on being able to implement a green jobs strategy to help rebuild our economic base.

As Regent of UC's and Trustee of CSU's he will help set policy at our state universities and hold down tuition increases and program cuts.

And of course, the primary role is to step in and ACT for the Governor when Gov is out of the state. Jerry Brown deserves to have someone who will have his back when he's away, NOT a Republican who will stab him.  


I would be interested in (4.00 / 1)
some more discussion on, and more links to, the case within the Superintendent for Public Instruction race. Your analysis that Larry Aceves is a RTTT toady or that he's excited about billionaires and hedge funds running education does not square with what I have read about him.  

Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

Have you visited the candidate's web sites? (0.00 / 0)
Just for the record, here they are:

http://www.larryaceves2010.com/

http://www.tomtorlakson.com/

When I look at the issues section, I note that Aceves talks more about issues like "accountability" and "reduce 'mandates.'"  To my eyes, those sound like the failed policies of testing and reducing education standards.  Torlakson talks about empowering the schools at the local level, and holding charter schools to the same standards as public schools.

For those reasons, I voted (by mail) for Torlakson.


[ Parent ]
I have read them (5.00 / 1)
I am also a school board member.

What I like that Aceves says are things like:

Any reforms to improve our schools are accordingly complex; the solutions we need are not "one-size-fits-all" and they can't be boiled down into mere sound bites -- that's why I believe we need an educator, not a politician as our schools chief.

Larry Aceves: Brian, as a superintendent I always believed in giving my parents alternatives for their children. For example, instead of having all students in K-5, and then 6-8 middle schools, I offered K-8 schools for parents that thought their children would learn better in a more "family" environment. I supported parents who wished to home school their children by setting up a structure that had two teachers meet with the parents and their children once a week, or as often as parents had questions about instruction. So for me, charter schools are an alternative for parents, that ought to always be available.

Having said that, I also believe that charter schools, as "lab schools" should be able to help our regular schools determine what works for various populations of our students. This should include changes they make to the regulations in the Education Code that are restrictive and should be eliminated, as well as working with various elements of schedules and curriculum.

I believe education is a work in progress, and if we see that some programs are working well, we should always look to follow best practices.

To me, they look like two good candidates who are coming at the position from two somewhat different perspectives: Torlakson, who is more aligned with CTA and who has his time in the state legislature, and Aceves, who is coming at it more from his role as a district superintendent. But, most of their positions are pretty similar.

Just looking from the resume, experience from the local superintendent side is attractive to me - from the legislature, the problems can look quite a bit different. Aceves' experience in "small" districts is attractive to me.

Torlakson's opposition to changes that would keep seniority for the purposes of layoffs by district instead of by school bothers me somewhat. Low performing schools will not improve if they're a place that staff sloshes in and out, depending upon whether there are better opportunities nearby.

I can make a case to vote for either one. I really cannot see any statements that make me turn away from Aceves. He seems thoughtful and pragmatic and to my eye, he brings experience that is more recently at the school/student level. Torlakson seems to be a good guy as well.

I just don't see the stark contrast. I think I will just watch some more video of the two (which fortunately is available online) and go with the one that feels more comfortable to me personally.  

Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!


[ Parent ]
Cool (0.00 / 0)
While we may have reached different conclusions, I am glad you did so by doing the research -- that should be how democracy works.

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