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I Don't Think Condescension Is the Answer, DiFi

by: Robert Cruickshank

Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 15:00:00 PM PST


California's favorite moderate Democrat badly misinterprets the results of yesterday's Senate election, as well as shows how little she understands the suffering going on here in California:

"You see anger. People are worried. And when they're worried they don't want to take on a broad new responsibility," like health care reform, she said....

"I think we do go slower on health care. People do not understand it. it is so big it is beyond their comprehension. And if you don't understand it when somebody tells you it does this or it does that and It's not true, you tend to believe it, even though it isn't true. It's hard to debunk all of the myths that are out there."

Shorter DiFi: since voters are stupid, we have to "go slower" on something they desperately want.

I don't know what universe Dianne Feinstein is living in, but the health care crisis is very much a part of our economic crisis. It's not some frivolous thing that we can wait until we're flush with money. It is a major part of the reason why we are broke as a state, a huge element of the inequality that built up over the last 10-15 years, a major cause of household indebtedness and financial distress.

It's just stunning to me, although not exactly surprising, that DiFi thinks health care is some minor side issue that isn't important and doesn't matter to people. The current health care crisis is a major drag on our economy. The US spends far more on health care than any other industrialized country and gets much less in return. It's difficult to start new businesses because people can't get affordable coverage on their own, and consumer spending is held down by concerns over ability to pay the medical bills.

In short, it is very difficult to see how California or the nation will experience any rapid or lasting economic recovery until we fix health care. It is a central part of economic recovery efforts.

And as national polls show, the public very much wants health care to be done. Anyone who thinks that doing less on health care, or kicking it even further down the road would be a good idea is fundamentally misreading public opinion.

Feinstein tops it off with a gratuitous slap at the public, which she essentially argues isn't intellectually capable of understanding the issues. It doesn't help that Democrats have done a very poor job of messaging and selling health care in 2009, but DiFi prefers to blame others for her own failures.

I suppose I should be thankful for this, though. With statements and political analysis like this, she is doing everything in her power to run a Martha Coakley campaign in the 2012 Democratic primary. Let's hope there's a good progressive out there willing to mobilize public opinion and finally put DiFi into retirement.

Robert Cruickshank :: I Don't Think Condescension Is the Answer, DiFi
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if only (0.00 / 0)
Robert Cruickshank were 35 years of age and constitutionally eligible.

35 comes and goes soon enough (0.00 / 0)
I'll join that campaing gladly when the day comes, and it's never to soon to start.

Guess I still have San Francisco hippie values, although I'm an engineer

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As for Robert (0.00 / 0)
his cursus honorum is set. Replace John Laird in the Assembly, then replace John Laird in the State Senate.  After that, things get interesting, but I see Robert more in statewide office in CA than in Congress.

Either way, first time Robert runs (and likely every time thereafter) I drop everything beyond eating and showering to go work on that campaign.


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Well (0.00 / 0)
Bill Monning's in the Assembly until 2014, and I'm glad he's there. A good, solid progressive from a good, solidly progressive district.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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oh, you're not in Laird's district? (0.00 / 0)
well then, you've got a few years to prep for a run. I have no idea what I'm doing down here.

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Monning is in Laird's old seat. (0.00 / 0)
AD 27

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Right (0.00 / 0)
Monning took over for Laird when Laird was termed out in 2008.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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Di Fi is Right (0.00 / 0)
42 percent of the voters for Scott Brown voted for him just because he was going to vote against the health care plan. In Massachusetts.

If you click the link (8.00 / 1)
You'd see the following:

HEALTH CARE BILL OPPONENTS THINK IT "DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH"

   * by 3 to 2 among Obama voters who voted for Brown
   * by 6 to 1 among Obama voters who stayed home

(18% of Obama supporters who voted supported Brown.)

VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION

   * 82% of Obama voters who voted for Brown
   * 86% of Obama voters who stayed home

OBAMA VOTERS WANT DEMOCRATS TO BE BOLDER

   * 57% of Brown voters say Obama "not delivering enough" on change he promised
   * 49% to 37% among voters who stayed home

If Obama voters stayed with Coakley, she'd have won. And of course, 42% < 50%. So even those who voted for Brown because they didn't like the bill wouldn't have been enough to put him over the top.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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heh (0.00 / 0)
there's that same brainwave thing again.

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Exactly my point (0.00 / 0)
First, you taking a very narrow sample -- Obama voters that voted for Brown.

Then the rest of them that say "Obama hasn't done enough."

Great, so then they vote for someone who is going to vote against him any time.

Makes tons of sense to me.

Our base was asleep.


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That's right. (0.00 / 0)
Blame the bumper sticker caucus the base.  Stupid base, not just doing exactly what the powerful people say they should.

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I Am Part of the So-Called Base (0.00 / 0)
I want the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.  Why would I vote for a party that increased troop levels in Afghanistan?  

I want reform of the bank system.  Why would I vote for a party that hired the very same bankers who bankrupted the country to "fix" the economy?

I want the repeal of DOMA and DADT.  Why would I vote for a party that is not moving to repeal those discriminatory policies?

I want job creation, a growing middle class, progressive taxation.  Why would I vote for a party that fails to provide a stimulus package in the midst of the worst recession in 75 years and seems content to leave 1 in 6 people unemployed or underemployed?

I want real health care reform --  single payer, but if not that, a public option.  Why would I vote for a party that instead provides a mandate to purchase insurance from the very same private businesses that have contributed significantly to the problem and at the same time refuses to regulate those businesses?

That's on the national level.

On the state level, I want good schools, good roads, good parks, and a working government.  More to the point, I want the structural flaws in the state's system of governance fixed.  It doesn't look like the Democratic Party in this state is all that concerned about fixing the flaws, but is more concerned with staying in office.

Is there even a Democrat running for governor?  I mean, officially?

I'm awake.  I see what is going on, and it has very little to do with what I want my government to do.


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except Steven, that would be exactly wrong (8.00 / 1)
42% of the people who voted for Brown did so because they wanted to stop healthcare.  Brown received 53% of the vote, approximately.  That means you've got 22% of the electorate in MA voting to stop healthcare--I haven't forgotten how to do arithmetic yet.  That's anything but a mandate to slow down on HCR.

Meanwhile, some other stats stand out like flaming beacons.  From Huffington Post:

A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street." A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.

In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies.

It would be hard to find a clearer indication, it seems, that Tuesday's vote was cast in protest.

The poll also upends the conventional understanding of health care's role in the election. A plurality of people who switched -- 48 -- or didn't vote -- 43 -- said that they opposed the Senate health care bill. But the poll dug deeper and asked people why they opposed it. Among those Brown voters, 23 percent thought it went "too far" -- but 36 percent thought it didn't go far enough and 41 percent said they weren't sure why they opposed it.

And even more numbers:

HEALTH CARE BILL OPPONENTS THINK IT "DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH"

   * by 3 to 2 among Obama voters who voted for Brown
   * by 6 to 1 among Obama voters who stayed home

(18% of Obama supporters who voted supported Brown.)

VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION

   * 82% of Obama voters who voted for Brown
   * 86% of Obama voters who stayed home

OBAMA VOTERS WANT DEMOCRATS TO BE BOLDER

   * 57% of Brown voters say Obama "not delivering enough" on change he promised
   * 49% to 37% among voters who stayed home

PLUS: Obama voters overwhelming want bold economic populism from Democrats in 2010.

There's only one conclusion you can draw, and it's not a "slow down" conclusion--unless you respect the 22% of the electorate who turned out to teabag more than you respect the Dems who are pissed with their leaders for not getting done what they said they'd do.


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Unless I'm missing something (0.00 / 0)
whatever slice of the electorate you close to slice, the Democrat lost.

That's all that really matters isn't it? And health care drove the Republicans and Indy voters to the poll in droves.


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Absolutely! (8.00 / 1)
The only safe course for the Democrats is to only do things that the Republicans like.  That way, the Republicans will get complacent, and won't turn out.

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you're ignoring the question of why (0.00 / 0)
especially since we haven't even done anything on HCR yet.

Here's the bottom line: Republicans are pissed that anything is happening on HCR.  Dems are pissed that it's not enough and voted for Brown because they're pissed with Dems.

And your conclusion is to do...what? less than nothing?


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Give it up, Dante (0.00 / 0)
The story on this is pre-written among the consultant class.  And in a surprising twist, it's pre-written to end with caution and pandering to the places where the most money can be found.

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Hmmm (0.00 / 0)
 So I guess we have to primary Di-Fi again?

 


Yep (0.00 / 0)
This quote of hers should be the opening shot of the 2012 primary.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave

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Maybe she'll retire (0.00 / 0)
A coupla years ago heard Debra Bowen was interested in the Senate.

Guess I still have San Francisco hippie values, although I'm an engineer

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Dante's Platform proposal is part of the answer (0.00 / 0)
Amazing that the Rules Committee of the California Democratic Party opposes a requirement that CDP-endorsed candidates should acknowledge that they've even read the Platform, let alone stae that they would actually run on it.

This is a real motivator isn't it?

Without a real platform and commitment to principles, we're left with an elected establishment that is really an incumbent protection and empire building racket. Heck of a way to run a Party.

Guess I still have San Francisco hippie values, although I'm an engineer


I appreciate the kind words (0.00 / 0)
Original credit for this needs to go to Christine Pelosi and Mal Burnstein.  I just wrote the compromise proposal, and spoke for it rather...forcefully?

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Something like 85% of Americans are happy with their healthcare coverage (0.00 / 0)
And you're going to make them suffer to the tune of billions of dollars in taxes and reduced services for existing government payees, so people who are perfectly able to secure healthcare but choose not to either because they don't want it or are poor managers of their own income can be given tax money? I don't see it.

inspired by your moniker no doubt (0.00 / 0)
Just want to remind you that the House healthcare proposal (and Obama's campaign promises) rely on taxing those with high incomes to pay for new benefits. I think House version was to tax income over $250,000.

Have to ask, why call yourself stupiddimbulb?

Guess I still have San Francisco hippie values, although I'm an engineer


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there's no point (0.00 / 0)
in dealing with someone like this who believes that everyone who is poor deserved it.

Typical randroid conservabot here.


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MA has Health Care--and progressives and others stayed home (0.00 / 0)
First, I would remind DIFI that MA has a universal health care system.
It works.
HCR from DC is not the lifesaver it is elsewhere.

Secondly,
I think these numbers show what really happened in MA on Tuesday.
The same voters who buried McCain didnt vote this time. They stayed home.
Sure there is a drop off to be expected from a presidential general election, but this was all over the air and papers. If people didnt feel betrayed they would have showed. Even if 15% of Obama's margin had showed up, Coakley would have won.
Almost million MORE folks went to the polls in MA in 2008 and all of them voted for Obama.

Scott Brown got the same vote total as McCain, but Coakley got 900k fewer votes.
Dem turnout and independent turnout just disappeared.

MA Election results
2010 election
1,168,000 brown
1,059,000 coakley
   20,000 others
2,247,000  total

2008 election
1,109,000 mccain
1,904,000 obama
 100,000 others
3,113,000 total

Brown wins with about the same vote as McCain got.
Where were the 900k or so voters that didnt show up at all and who just a year ago gave Obama the win?
Brown ran identical numbers to McCain, but Coakley drew 900k fewer.

Dems and independents just didnt turn out.
Progressives and others -- new voters -- are mad or heart sick with Obama for talking tough on Corporations, HMOs, Big Rx, and Wall Street. But then playing kissy face with them.

There are about 1.5 million Dems, .5 million Goopers, and 2 million no party in MA.



Only way to get DiFi out of the Senate (0.00 / 0)
is to let her run for Governor...

Not that I would vote for her in either race.

You know, and I know, that both Boxer and Feinstein will keep their seats as long as they want them but I can't see anyone who would mount a primary challenge to either.  They would be treated like DeVore is now.  

Changing CA, one open mind at a time.  


Of course, part of the problem (6.50 / 2)
is that:

1)  The health insurance reform that was actually put on the table was extremely complicated, because everything had to be structured to satisfy and preserve the profits of the insurers, hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and economically pig-ignorant, legally corrupt, sanctimonious anti-woman Conservadems.  

2)  The Dems sucked at selling the pig's breakfast that resulted (the Senate bill being far worse than the House, itself no prize) because they didn't actually have a simple plan, or even simple talking points, going in (which is part of the reason the result was such a pig's breakfast).


Indeed (0.00 / 0)
And the public is seeing it for what it actually is.

DiFi is upset that the public isn't playing along with this "emperor's new clothes" game, which apparently is how the consultantocracy believes voters should behave, according to some of the comments here.

The White House seemed to think that the American people would trust him, trust the process, and not really pay any attention to the actual details of what was being produced. Their total inability to generate a plan or talking points was either deliberate, an act of stunning incompetence, or both.

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


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the whole debacle reads a lot (0.00 / 0)
as the next to final chapter of naomi klein's shock doctrine, when she discusses how center-left presidents elected after long popular struggles to end right wing dictatorships ride waves of popular energy and hope, and then use that momentum, advised as always by neoliberal american experts, to lock in the very neoliberal policies those voters thought they were rejecting in the election.

chickens coming home to roost, in many ways.


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