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John Burton Comes Out Against Maldonado Confirmation

by: Robert Cruickshank

Fri Dec 11, 2009 at 11:15:08 AM PST


Putting concern over a relatively insignificant office over the extremely significant 2/3rds majority in the State Senate, CDP Chair John Burton opposes Maldonado's confirmation as Lt. Gov.:

"Why should they give the job to a Republican -- when there hasn't been a Lt. Gov. who's been a Republican since Mike Curb in 1978," said Burton, whose own history as a powerful State Senate Pro Tem -- and his current control of party money as the Dem leader in CA -- could give him clout with state lawmakers on the matter. "Why give his seat to another party?"

"They'll vote him down," Burton predicted confidently....

"There's a reason why some people are Democrats, and some are Republicans," he said. "And Democrats don't vote for Republicans."

Of course, in this case, Democrats don't actually have to vote for Republicans. They can do nothing. Maldonado would become Lt. Gov. and serve for a few insignificant months while either Dean Florez or Janice Hahn mobilize around the state to defeat him.

Meanwhile, Democrats here on the Central Coast organize to send either John Laird or Bill Monning to the State Senate to replace Maldonado, combining with a Democratic victory later in the year in SD-12 to reclaim two Democratic districts and attain 2/3rds in the Senate.

As a member of my county's Democratic Central Committee, as well as a member of the California Democratic Party Executive Board, this strikes me as a favorable deal for the Democratic Party. Dems don't actually have to vote for Maldonado, and can continue to rail against him and his right-wing views. Meanwhile, we do the on-the-ground work that Dems can and should do to win the Lt. Gov. office as well as 2/3rds in the Senate.

Ultimately, if we have to weigh the considerations against each other, it is far more important for Democrats to have 2/3rds than to have the Lt. Gov. office. The state legislature is at the center of Democratic fortunes in this state. Because it has been in Democratic hands for nearly 40 years, it is seen as the most obvious model of what the Democratic Party stands for and can accomplish in California.

If the Democratic majority is unable to implement its vision because they lack a 2/3rds majority, then that makes Democrats look weak and ineffective. This is particularly the case with a Democratic governor. One of the things that led to Gray Davis's recall in 2003 was the inability of the Legislature to agree on a budget, making Davis look like a weak leader.

Democrats need to think like a party and a movement - and not like an organization dedicated to advancing the career of any single individual. The California Democratic Party is stronger by stepping out of the way of Maldonado's confirmation and instead focusing on making the case to California's voters, whether here on the Central Coast or statewide, as to why Democrats deserve votes instead of acting like those votes, or any particular office, belong to us by divine right.

Robert Cruickshank :: John Burton Comes Out Against Maldonado Confirmation
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old pols never die... (0.00 / 0)
John Laird and Bill Monning? Really? Wow. Those guys have been in office down there or running for office or whatever for like, EVER. God I remember when Monning ran for Congress in 1993.

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Im Glad to hear it (0.00 / 0)
I just don't get why my fellow progressives are so gung ho for a Maldo confirmation? His Senate Seat- assuming we win it, doesn't get us 2/3rd in the Senate- closer yes, but not there. Even if it did we would still be seriously shy of 2/3rds in the Assembly. So best case scenario its meaningless to get a non- right-wing budget passed. And for this we elevate a guy that cant even get nominated in his own party for a Statewide office, not to mention one who holds diametrically opposed views and values to the elected former holder of this office?  Even in the face of Republicans starting to clear the field for him? Don't get me wrong, I want a Dem in that seat, and yes, John Laird is awesome. But on this issue,I don't get the hype. There's no "there" there......

Elevate? (0.00 / 0)
A key senate vote versus a figure head? Since when is that being elevated?

LG does get a vote on the state lands commission, and perhaps that would have changed Tranquillion Ridge. But the fact is that Maldo still has to beat a real right winger in Sam Aanestad in the June primary, and then defeat either Janice Hahn or Dean Florez.

A few months of incumbency is worth the roll of the dice.

That being said, I'd love to see some push from the legislature to exract some sort of compromise out of Arnold for a confirmation.

I think?


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Yup, elevate (0.00 / 0)
Regional to Statewide office is an elevation,in stature if not in responsibility. And that lack of responsibility gives him the opportunity to campaign all the time. As he has a Statewide office he has the  reason to be anywhere, talking about anything. As the incumbent. I see no reason to give the republicans an immediate advantage when we don't get an immediate reward. The seat isn't going anywhere.  

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Lets see ... LG is just a "figurehead" (0.00 / 0)
Hmmm....

Lets see.

* LG is next in line to be Governor
* LG is specifically granted appointment power on numerous commissions.
* The California constitution, specifies the LG is on numerous commissions.
* The LG is not beholden to the Governor at all.

The Vice President of the United States is:

* next in line to be President
* casts tie breaking votes in the Senate.

Therefore, John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin didn't mean much because after all VP is just a figurehead.

Got it! ;-)


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Gotta disagree here (5.00 / 1)
First off, there are 2 seats standing between us and 2/3rds in the Senate. Those are SD-12, with a 12 point Dem registration advantage. Jeff Denham currently occupies the seat, but he's termed out next year. Anna Caballero of Salinas is the Dem nominee for the seat, and she can win it.

Combine that with SD-15, which has a 7 point Dem registration advantage, and that's a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. We're only 3 votes short of it in the Assembly. So why on earth would Democrats abandon an opportunity to reclaim blue seats and win the last few remaining seats we need to take to get a 2/3rds majority?

The other issue here is that you are downplaying the importance of 2/3rds. It really is the #1 task of California Democrats, above all others. As I explained in the post, Democrats are identified with "the Legislature." And if "the Legislature" can't function, it causes major problems for all Democrats across the state. It played a role in Gray Davis's recall and it could play a role in denying Jerry Brown the governor's office - or holding him to a single term.

Democrats need to realize that we have a very serious problem in the ongoing failure of the Legislature, and that our current seats are jeopardized by that failure.

Instead, way too many Dems are burying their heads in the sand, pretending there's no problem, and playing the usual silly game of focusing on the horserace of various statewide offices - of which the Lt. Gov. is by far the least important.

Anyone who argues we should give up a chance at 2/3rds by rejecting Maldonado needs to explain what is more important for Dems than 2/3rds, explain how we deal with the crisis in the Legislature, and how we convince more Californians to vote for a party that, because of the crisis in the Legislature, is unable to deliver on its promises.

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I get your reasoning (0.00 / 0)
but unless you seriously think that we will have no chance in recapturing that seat when Maldonado's term is up, then I just plain don't see where the fire is at.

I absolutely agree that Democrats should push for majorities. I think SD 15 is winnable- especially when we know the timetable and can start work now to ensure a victory for our candidate.  

I absolutely disagree that we should give the Republicans  any advantage they could not otherwise earn to do so.

Again, we are not talking about the 2/3rd's giving vote here. If that were the case, I might think differently. The risk/reward just doesn't work out for me on this one.


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So... (0.00 / 0)
Every basket except the one that wins doesn't count?

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not a basket, a shot (0.00 / 0)
and if to take shot you have to give the other team a free throw closer to the basket, then yeah, its not worth it.

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We need these seats now (0.00 / 0)
A strong Democratic Party is one that is aggressive and assertive, one that does not pass up a chance to win back a blue seat that Obama won by 20 points.

SD-15 will not exist in its present form in the 2012 election. There is no scenario under which the Prop 11 redistricting commission will keep it. We don't know if it will be replaced by a district less favorable to Dems or not.

And more importantly, Democrats don't have the luxury of waiting to find out. Once again, we have to emphasize the immediacy of the crisis in the Legislature, which will act as an albatross around the neck of every other Democrat in 2010 and 2012 unless we do something about it.

As I said above, we need two votes to get to 2/3rds. SD-15 is the first, SD-12 is the second. Without SD-15, there is NO path to a 2/3rds majority in 2010. At all. Since the #1 priority of California Democrats is to win a 2/3rds majority in both houses, I still do not see a reason for us to walk away from this opportunity.

Democrats need to understand that the status quo is not acceptable. In fact, the status quo is a danger to the party's ability to win elections, whether it's for open seats or seats we already hold. We give Republicans the advantage by protecting that status quo.

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Burton (0.00 / 0)
If your county DCC is anything like mine, it is made up almost entirely of the Burton slate.

The "Burton slate" (0.00 / 0)
Doesn't really mean a whole lot, or at least it didn't in my AD. It was a collection of people with different views and beliefs who for various reasons agreed to back Burton. I certainly don't think it implies fealty to whatever his latest pronouncement was.

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this is the same john burton (0.00 / 0)
who ran for party chair on the promise that he'd back efforts to get majority rule on budgets and taxes, as well as get us to 2/3, and then reversed course after he'd muscled out all other candidates.

a cynical person would start to wonder if the democrats are doing everything they can NOT to get functional control of the government.


Steinberg too (0.00 / 0)
He made a big issue out of the 2/3rds rule and has since backpedaled on whether he'd fight for the SD-15 seat.

And of course, Burton was the guy who presided over the State Senate redistricting in 2001 that created these districts like SD-15 and SD-19 that have sent important Republicans to wreak havoc in Sacramento, all in order to screw over Democrats that Burton disliked for whatever stupid reason.

We do have to wonder if Sacramento Democrats are actively avoiding functional control of the government. However, the more likely reason is that they're just too content with the status quo, they don't think they face any threat, they don't think the crisis in the Legislature is anything to worry about, they don't think Republicans will make any real gains. So they focus on the horse race, playing 11-dimensional chess with themselves while their ability to win elections slowly erodes.

The basic problem is a lack of understanding of what is actually happening out there in California politics. And that's usually the hubris that goeth before a nasty election defeat.

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i don't think we're looking at a lost election (0.00 / 0)
so much as a party split within the next decade. you can't keep screwing your voters and using the "ooga booga republicans!" line forever before people start calling your bluff.

a split if there are any electeds who give a crap, a third party or direct action if they can keep their ducks in a row in sacramento, but this cannot go on.

i think they're afraid of having all their so-close votes on popular stuff revealed as a cynical charade, were they to actually have the votes to pass them over a GOP veto. they're playing with serious fire.


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Several points (0.00 / 0)
I actually agree Maldonado should be confirmed although not for the reasons you mention.  The LG's office is more important than you (or some reporters) give it credit for, especially in connection with the UC system where a lot of key issues have been decided by single votes.  That being said, to pass any kind or progressive budget will probably take a couple of Republican votes even if we are at 2/3rds.  The reason is that private industry can cherry picks votes from legislators where one industry plays a key role in their district and controls their future.  (For example, farm country Dems can't go too far against pesticide manufacturers).  To get those Rep votes requires at least the possibility that they will be rewarded down the line and a free pass for an appointed position is a fair reward and without it, the votes will probably not be there for the cuts that are needed in the next year.

However the comment about reapportionment changing the district misses a huge point.  It is very possible the district will be changed to a different form and maybe even a more Republican District.  However if a Democrat holds the office with that number, that simply means we would hold what should be a Republican seat for an extra two years.  When the legislature drew lines, they always had a "gentlemans agreement" to avoid that kind of gameplaying, but the commission does not, so you could very easily see members of the opposite party representing districts they are a huge minority in for their first two years in the state senate. This can't happen in any other job.

As for the 2001 reapportionment, I would still point out that Democrats hold an edge that is above their current registration advantage in both houses of the legislature and that speaks for itself about how good the plan was (Republicans turn out at higher rates and you generally expect to see a split that is much closer than registration)


if dems have 2/3 in both houses (0.00 / 0)
and the statehouse, unless i'm mistaken couldn't they just change the 2/3 budget/taxes rule with their supermajority?

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They'd have to put it on the ballot (0.00 / 0)
Since that rule is written into the state constitution.

But yes, they could indeed do that, saving a lot of money for progressives who wouldn't have to raise money for signature gathering.

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Numbering (0.00 / 0)
the comment about numbering is on an issue that could be very critical in 2012, because no one knows for sure which districts will be up for reelection.  You could very easily have a member who has to make a choice of a free ride for two years or moving to a neighboring seat and running immediately and a lot of the people who are running this year may face that choice next time.

Once again Robert demonstrates his "everyone else is stupid" thinking.... (0.00 / 0)
Random thought for Robert:

Occasionally find out the powers of each office before talking. It would save you from sounding exactly like a member of Fox News.

For example, the LG (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... )

"The Lieutenant Governor sits on the UC Board of Regents, CSU Board of Trustees, Ocean Protection Council, the California Emergency Council, and the State Lands Commission. The Lieutenant Governor of California chairs the Commission for Economic Development which is responsible for fostering economic growth in California by developing and implementing strategies for attracting new business to the state, increasing state exports, creating new jobs, and stimulating industries statewide.

Many California projects created through gubernatorial executive orders, or through the initiative process, include a role for the Lieutenant Governor. For example, the Lieutenant Governor serves on the Agriculture-Water Transition Task Force (created by Governor Gray Davis), and five of the twenty-nine members of the oversight committee of the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine are appointed by the Lieutenant Governor"

Two of those "meaningless commissions" are the State Lands Commission ( http://www.slc.ca.gov/About_Th... ) and the Ocean Protection Council ( http://www.opc.ca.gov/ )

These commissions are responsible for the day-to-day workings of everything environmental in the state of California.

In addition, if one of Arnie's Hummers rolls over him (or resigns because Obama appoints him ambassador to Austria), the LG then becomes Governor.

And Robert wants to hand the LG to a Republican for what? The possibility of a State Senate seat - which may go Democratic anyhow.

What kind of stupid did Robert drink?


Do you normally call people stupid when you talk to them? (0.00 / 0)
Pat -

I'm going to ignore the content of this, and just address your civility, or lack thereof.  In normal conversation, do you normally ask "what kind of stupid" did the person you are disagreeing with drink?

It is fine to disagree, that is what a blog is for. But your personal attacks are not acceptable. Simply calling somebody stupid doesn't mean that they have to agree with you. To your point, your generalization of "run everything environmental in the state" is a rather broad statement without any provided support for your position.

next time, try some argument through logic rather than the 3rd grade argument of "you're stupid"

I think?


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As you wish... However... (0.00 / 0)
@Brian --

If Calitics wants a degree of politeness in the comments then the posters need to demonstrate the same politeness.

Furthermore Robert does demonstrate that he has no clue on how the important the LG position is to the environmental movement because he has no clue on LG's powers.

Specifically, Robert starts off his post with :

Putting concern over a relatively insignificant office over the extremely significant 2/3rds majority in the State Senate

So Robert used marginally politer words to say that John Burton is st*pid.

I am calling him on:

* his ongoing tendency to attack anyone he doesn't agree with as NIMBYs, "old-school", "out-of-touch", "anti-environmental", etc.

* the exhibited lack of knowledge.

Lastly, I was very specific and logical in my post. Saying I wasn't means read my points about the LG powers were not read.

So maybe you should actually respond to the comment's content other than using the "your language offends me therefore 'Pat' is an ignorant buffoon" diversionary tactic.

Or... not....


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He's just bitter (0.00 / 0)
Because he hasn't succeeded in killing high speed rail yet.

I stand by my statement that the LtG office is "relatively insignificant," particularly in comparison to a 2/3rds majority in one of the two chambers of the legislature.

Especially since Pat is assuming I'm calling for Maldonado to be elected to a full term as LtG, which I'm not. I have confidence that either Dean Florez or Janice Hahn can beat him in November.

Rewards > risks, at least in this case.

Still don't see the need for Pat's vitriol.

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Brian said it best (0.00 / 0)
Brian said it best:

I'm going to ignore the content of this, and just address your civility, or lack thereof.  In normal conversation, do you normally say "He's just bitter" ?

It is fine to disagree, that is what a blog is for. But your personal attacks are not acceptable. Simply calling somebody stupid doesn't mean that they have to agree with you. To your point, your generalization of "that the LtG office is "relatively insignificant," particularly in comparison to a 2/3rds majority in one of the two chambers of the legislature" is a rather broad statement without any provided support for your position.

next time, try some argument through logic rather than the 3rd grade argument of "you're bitter"

Its hysterical that your comment is this beautiful baseless ad hominem attack : "Because he hasn't succeeded in killing high speed rail yet." But yet you end with "Still don't see the need for Pat's vitriol."

Thanks for making my earlier point about

[Robert's] ongoing tendency to attack anyone he doesn't agree with as NIMBYs, "old-school", "out-of-touch", "anti-environmental", etc.

In other words, the exact name-calling you just exhibited. It is absolutely rolling-in-the-aisle funny that Brian wags his finger at me and then you turn around and exhibit worse behavior.

Oh Teacher, Teacher, Rowbert hurt my weelings (wah, wah) and called me names (wah, wah).

Two (adult) points:

* I do support HSR and you know that from my comments before.

* you always ascribe motives to people you don't know and have never met. Your writing would improve if you could just stay away from the personal belittling. It is easy and you want to swing your big Calitics fist.

I think it is rather funny that you have to fall back on schoolyard bully name calling. I know this works in High School but in the big world, your point is much better made without disparaging others.

The really funny thing about this is that you are trying to make me mad. I showed my wife your comment and both of us had a good laugh.

You might consider comedy. Something like the deadpan humor of Steven Wright might work.


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